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    Should it be "between the 13th and the 14th century" or "between the 13th and 14th centuries"?
    Thanks in advance

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    Re: between

    Hi, Savs, and welcome to the board.

    Quote Originally Posted by savs View Post
    Should it be "between the 13th and the 14th century" or "between the 13th and 14th centuries"?
    Thanks in advance
    Neither.

    There was never any time between the 13th and 14th centuries. As one ended the next began.

    You could say 'During the 13th and 14th centuries....'

    Or 'Between the 11th and 15th centuries....'

    In either case, use centuries.

    Rover

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    Re: between

    Quote Originally Posted by Rover_KE View Post
    Hi, Savs, and welcome to the board.



    Neither.

    There was never any time between the 13th and 14th centuries. As one ended the next began.

    You could say 'During the 13th and 14th centuries....'

    Or 'Between the 11th and 15th centuries....'

    In either case, use centuries.

    Rover
    Would the turn of the 13th century be OK? I guess that is what the original poster had in mind.

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    Re: between

    I never know if the turn of the century means the end or the beginning. Does the turn of the 13th mean 1299-1301 or so, or 1399-1401 or so?
    I'm not a teacher, but I write for a living. Please don't ask me about 2nd conditionals, but I'm a safe bet for what reads well in (American) English.

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    Re: between

    I also have problems with it, but I checked before posting. It's the latter, if I checked correctly.

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    Re: between

    Quote Originally Posted by Barb_D View Post
    I never know if the turn of the century means the end or the beginning. Does the turn of the 13th mean 1299-1301 or so, or 1399-1401 or so?
    To me, the "turn of the century" would mean around the end of the year 1299 and the beginning of the year 1300.

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    Re: between

    'at the turn of a [specific] century' usually means at the beginning of that century, so 'at the turn of the 13th century' means 1200 or slightly later. But, it seems, there is no common agreement about usage and some may interpret it to mean at the end of the 13th century:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turn_of_the_century

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    Re: between

    Quote Originally Posted by bertietheblue View Post
    'at the turn of a [specific] century' usually means at the beginning of that century, so 'at the turn of the 13th century' means 1200 or slightly later. But, it seems, there is no common agreement about usage and some may interpret it to mean at the end of the 13th century:

    Turn of the century - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Thank you! I had no idea. Before I posted I'd just looked it up in only one place, where it said "the turn of the twentieth century" to refer to the latest period. So, if it's so amiguous, what would you say make it clear? I can't find proper words...
    Last edited by birdeen's call; 16-Jul-2010 at 18:41. Reason: I can't write, sorry.

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    Re: between

    Quote Originally Posted by birdeen's call View Post

    ... what would say to make it clear?
    Here are two ways to avoid any ambiguity:

    'At the beginning of the twentieth century. . . .'

    'In the early years of the eighteenth century. . . .'

    Rover

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    Re: between

    Quote Originally Posted by Rover_KE View Post
    Here are two ways to avoid any ambiguity:

    'At the beginning of the twentieth century. . . .'

    'In the early years of the eighteenth century. . . .'

    Rover
    Alright, but what if I'm talking about a war that spanned the period between 1593 and 1612? It's not the early years of any century...

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