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    have or has been

    Hi,

    There have been close to 50 deaths in the past month. (or is it has been?).

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    #2

    Re: have or has been

    There have been close to 50 deads since LAST month.

    There have been (present perfect) - there are (present simple)
    there has been (present perfect) - there is (present simple).
    I think you can understand.

    I wonder can we remove the word "since" in the above sentence ? I think if we don't use the word "since", we should change that sentence to "There were...".
    Thanks!
    Last edited by crazYgeeK; 01-Aug-2010 at 16:40.

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    Re: have or has been

    Quote Originally Posted by crazYgeeK View Post
    There have been close to 50 deads since LAST month.

    There have been (present perfect) - there are (present simple)
    there has been (present perfect) - there is (present simple).
    I think you can understand.

    I wonder can we remove the word "since" in the above sentence ? I think if we don't use the word "since", we should change that sentence to "There were...".
    Thanks!
    CrazYgeek is correct about "have been" but incorrect with "deads". You were entirely correct in using "deaths".

    You were also correct in saying "in the past month" if you mean that the deaths have occurred in the last 31 days or so. CraZygeek's "since last month" does not mean the same thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by emsr2d2 View Post
    CrazYgeek is correct about "have been" but incorrect with "deads". You were entirely correct in using "deaths".

    You were also correct in saying "in the past month" if you mean that the deaths have occurred in the last 31 days or so. CraZygeek's "since last month" does not mean the same thing.
    I don't care "deaths" is whether correct or not but why "deads" is not correct ?
    I think "dead" means "dead person" and is a countable noun.
    Or do you mean I'm wrong when supposing that "deaths" is not correct and replace by "deads" ?
    If using "in the past month", can we change "have been" (present perfect) into "were" (past simple)?
    Thank you very much !

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    Re: have or has been

    The act of someone dying is a death. Deaths are countable.
    There was one death. There were two deaths. There will be more deaths, I fear, from the flooding.

    We can use "the dead" to refer to all the people who have the quality of being dead, as we use the rich, the poor, the hungry, the weak, etc. It's not countable, so you don't say "the deads" just as you don't say "the riches" or "the poors."
    I'm not a teacher, but I write for a living. Please don't ask me about 2nd conditionals, but I'm a safe bet for what reads well in (American) English.

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    Re: have or has been

    Quote Originally Posted by crazYgeeK View Post
    I don't care "deaths" is whether correct or not but why "deads" is not correct ?
    I think "dead" means "dead person" and is a countable noun.
    Or do you mean I'm wrong when supposing that "deaths" is not correct and replace by "deads" ?
    If using "in the past month", can we change "have been" (present perfect) into "were" (past simple)?
    Thank you very much !
    "Dead" can be used in a way that makes it sound like a noun but it doesn't become "deads".

    There has been an accident.
    How many dead?
    200 dead.

    However, in that example "How many dead?" really means "How many people are dead?" in which "dead" is an adjective. The answer means "200 people are dead" - again, "dead" is an adjective.

    I'm sure I'll be corrected, but I think it's an adjectival noun.

    However, "death" is a countable noun and is correct in the original sentence.

    How many deaths have there been in the last year?
    There have been 150 deaths in the last year.

    It's possible to say "There were 50 deaths last month" meaning a period of time that has now finished. But it's "There have been 50 deaths in the last month" - up to and including today.

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    Thank you for your great explanation. I looked up the "dead" and know it means "dead person"(I think the dictionary should explain more clearly at this point) , but "person" is a countable noun,isn't it ? Then I derived that the "dead" is also a countable noun.
    Thank you again !

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