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    Question using the "NOT"

    Which one is accurate ?

    ... it is better to NOT to do that ...
    ... it is better NOT to do that ...
    ... it is better to NOT do that ...
    ... it is better do NOT do that ...

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    Re: using the "NOT"

    Quote Originally Posted by sh.hazeri View Post
    Which one is accurate ?

    ... it is better to NOT to do that ...
    ... it is better NOT to do that ...
    ... it is better to NOT do that ...
    ... it is better do NOT do that ...
    I would use the third example. The fourth would be OK as: "It would be better if you didn't do that".

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    Re: using the "NOT"

    **Neither a teacher nor a native speaker.**

    What is wrong with:
    It is better not to do that.
    In my opinion it's the best choice.

    Cheers!

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    Re: using the "NOT"

    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmare85 View Post
    **Neither a teacher nor a native speaker.**

    What is wrong with:
    It is better not to do that.
    In my opinion it's the best choice.

    Cheers!
    Can I add my penny?

    I hear "to not" more often than "not to" in speech, and see "not to" more often than "to not" in writing. At least I think I do...

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    Re: using the "NOT"

    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmare85 View Post
    **Neither a teacher nor a native speaker.**

    What is wrong with:
    It is better not to do that.
    In my opinion it's the best choice.

    Cheers!
    I agree. Maybe bhai misread them. 2. is by far the most common expression.
    1 and 4 are not grammatical at all. 3 is possible.

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    Re: using the "NOT"

    Quote Originally Posted by bhaisahab View Post
    I would use the third example. So would I, but I would not say the fourth one.

    But both 'not to verb' and 'to not verb' can be the only correct choice, depending on what meaning you want to express.

    I did it not to achieve result A, but to achieve result B.

    I did it (in order) to not suffer consequence C. ( = I did it to avoid suffering consequence C. ) This is why I choose the third one in the OP; it has this meaning.
    Last edited by 2006; 11-Aug-2010 at 00:43. Reason: fine tuning

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    Re: using the "NOT"

    Quote Originally Posted by 2006 View Post

    But both 'not to verb' and 'to not verb' can be the only correct choice, depending on what meaning you want to express.

    I did it not to achieve result A, but to achieve result B.

    I did it (in order) to not suffer consequence C. ( = I did it to avoid suffering consequence C. ) This is why I choose the third one in the OP; it has this meaning.
    I do not see any logic why you write "to not suffer".
    Especially with the use of "in order" it makes it even worse in my opinion.
    In order to...
    In order not to...

    I've never read "In order to not"
    in order not to - Deutsch-‹bersetzung – Linguee

    It's clear that not cannot belong to did.
    (I did it not... -> I did not do it... )
    But I'm sure this is not the reason why you wrote, "I did it to not..."

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    #8

    Re: using the "NOT"

    You and I discussed this before. I don't think there is anything to be gained by further discussion.

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    #9

    Re: using the "NOT"

    When?

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    #10

    Re: using the "NOT"

    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmare85 View Post
    I do not see any logic why you write "to not suffer".
    I think my sentences speak for themselves. Study them carefully and you should be able to see the difference in use between 'not to verb' and 'to not verb'.
    Especially with the use of "in order" it makes it even worse in my opinion.
    I added the "in order" meaning to make the meaning ever clearer.
    I've never read "In order to not" Now you have.

    It's clear that not cannot belong to did. (I did it not... Read the sentences again, and think about their meanings.
    But I'm sure this is not the reason why you wrote, "I did it to not..."
    I thought we discussed this before, but maybe I'm mistaken.
    Anyway, my goal was to explain the use of the two constructions. You can accept what I said or not accept it. I don't think there is more I can say to you.

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