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    hoist with one's own petard

    Dear teachers,

    Would you be kind enough to help to me to interpret the phrase in bold in the following sentences?

    Hamlet: I must go England; you know that?
    Queen: Alack.
    I had forgot; this so concluded on.
    Hamlet: There’s letter sealed: and my teo schoolfellows,-
    Whom I will trust as I will adders fanged,-
    They bare the mandate; they must sweep my way,
    And marshal me to knavery. Let it work;
    For this the sport to have the engineer
    Hoist with his own petard
    O! ‘its most sweet,
    When in one line two crafts directly meet…

    hoist by one’s own petard = hoist with one’s own petard = fall in one’s own trap

    Thanks for your efforts.

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    Re: hoist with one's own petard

    Yes, Vil, you're right.

    'Injured by the device that you intended to use to injure others.'
    (The Phrase Finder)

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    Re: hoist with one's own petard

    Does it mean that the past partciple of "hoist" is "hoist" and not "hoisted"?

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    Re: hoist with one's own petard

    I'm not a teacher.


    [hɔɪst] past participle from hoise

    hoise [hɔɪz]

    Sec .; Please. BP . hoised, Preach . Please. BP . hoist raise Synonym:
    hoist

    • •• hoist with / by one's own petard - stepped on his own mine, caught in a trap of their own , the victim of its own machinations



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    Re: hoist with one's own petard

    Thank you, I didn't know the word "hoise"!

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    Re: hoist with one's own petard

    Quote Originally Posted by birdeen's call View Post
    Does it mean that the past participle of "hoist" is "hoist" and not "hoisted"?
    It's a different word from the present-day 'hoist' (This doesn't stop people from unconsciously 'correcting it' - see for example United National Party - Minister Mervyn hoisted with his own petard – indicted on 9 counts. ). (I suspect this word was victim of the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Vowel_Shift , which threw up a lot of puns (or 'homonymic clashes' as philologers like to say ). The less commonly used one of each pair went out of use. But occasionally there are fossils that show the other use - such as 'let' in tennis [which derives from the old 'let' = 'obstacle' - which you may have met in old documents in the phrase 'without let or hindrance'] Now where was I?... Oh yes, )

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