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    Cool Present simple/PP

    Hello,

    Is the use of the present simple correct in this case?

    "Since I work here, I've always been kind to everyone."

    Thank you
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    Re: Present simple/PP

    Quote Originally Posted by Will17 View Post
    Hello,

    Is the use of the present simple correct in this case?

    "Since I work here, I've always been kind to everyone."

    Thank you
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    I am afraid that is incorrect.

    "Since I work here" means "because I work here..." in that context.

    Suggested: Ever since I started to work here...

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    Re: Present simple/PP

    "Since I work here, I've always been kind to everyone."

    I would say, while your sentence is not strictly wrong or ungrammatical, it is illogical: It does not follow that because you work somewhere you must be kind to everyone. I think you want to use 'since' as an adverb of time: a unspecified time in the past. In that case you can't use 'I work' because it is present tense.

    How about: Since (adverb of time = from the time) I've been working here, I've always been kind to everyone.

    or 'Since (adverb of reason = because) I work here, I try to be kind to everyone.'

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pedroski View Post
    "Since I work here, I've always been kind to everyone."

    I would say, while your sentence is not strictly wrong or ungrammatical, it is illogical: It does not follow that because you work somewhere you must be kind to everyone. I think you want to use 'since' as an adverb of time: a unspecified time in the past. In that case you can't use 'I work' because it is present tense.

    How about: Since (adverb of time = from the time) I've been working here, I've always been kind to everyone.

    or 'Since (adverb of reason = because) I work here, I try to be kind to everyone.'
    I am not convinced with the first sentence. Does it change the meaning of the sentence by replacing the tense from Simple present to Present Perfect Continous.

    The second sentence of yours changes the original meaning that Will17 wants to convey.

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    Re: Present simple/PP

    This is one of the times that the two possible meanings of "since" create genuine ambiguity.

    I also don't know if he means "Because I work here..." or whether he meant to say "Since [the time] I've worked here..."

    I'd say both of you have answered one possibility.
    I'm not a teacher, but I write for a living. Please don't ask me about 2nd conditionals, but I'm a safe bet for what reads well in (American) English.

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    Re: Present simple/PP

    As far as I see it, you have two choices: 'since' an adverb of time, or 'since' adverb of reason.

    Choose adverb of time, then you must change 'I work' to 'I have been working here', as you started in the past, at the time indicated by 'since', and continue to do so.

    Choose adverb of reason, then 'I work here' is the reason, and 'I have always been kind to everyone' is the corollary. I changed that to 'I try to be kind to everyone' because, one presumes, this show of kindness will be an ongoing thing. But maybe the implication is, that you've had enough of being Mr Nice Guy, and that the kindness days are over! In that case stick with 'I have always been kind to everyone' Depends on what you say next!

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    A learner

    Since I work here, I've always been kind to everyone.

    He might have thought

    Owing to the fact that I work here I am always kind to everyone that comes here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barb_D View Post
    This is one of the times that the two possible meanings of "since" create genuine ambiguity.

    I also don't know if he means "Because I work here..." or whether he meant to say "Since [the time] I've worked here..."

    I'd say both of you have answered one possibility.

    I meant "since the time"... So if I understand well, it should be : "Since I've worked here, I've always been kind to everyone."
    (Could we also use the PPC: "since I've been working here?")

    Thank you.

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    Re: Present simple/PP

    Quote Originally Posted by Will17 View Post
    I meant "since the time"... So if I understand well, it should be : "Since I've worked here, I've always been kind to everyone."
    (Could we also use the PPC: "since I've been working here?")

    Thank you.
    I would recommend using "since I've been working here" it avoids any ambiguity.

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