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    #1

    noun

    1)The kill takes place in the mall.
    2)The killing takes place in the mall.
    3) The visiting is free.
    4) The visit is free.


    (Which sentences above are correct? Explain why they are wrong.
    When should we use ‘ing’ and original noun?)

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    #2

    Re: noun

    ***Neither a teacher nor a native speaker.***

    I believe that "the kill" and "the visit" refers to one.
    That means you're talking about one (specific) kill or visit.
    "The killing" and "the visiting" means there are several ones.
    Examples:
    Not every visit is free.
    However, the visit tomorrow will be free.


    The visitting is free.
    This means it is always free.

    P.S. Keep in mind that it was only a guess, and maybe I'm totally wrong here...

    Cheers!

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    #3

    Re: noun

    nobody gives me the answer?

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    #4

    Re: noun

    Quote Originally Posted by tomolonight View Post
    1)The kill takes place in the mall.
    2)The killing takes place in the mall.
    3) The visiting is free.
    4) The visit is free.

    (Which sentences above are correct? Explain why they are wrong.
    When should we use ‘ing’ and original noun?)
    # 2 and 4 are correct. The other two are not.

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    #5

    Re: noun

    Quote Originally Posted by Gillnetter View Post
    Why is that? I was standing on a hill and watched as the kill took place below me. The killing of the deer was fast. I had never seen such a fast kill.
    Well, 'the kill' usually applies to hunted animals. I thought that a mall is not a place where you would go to hunt such.

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    #6

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gillnetter View Post
    I am not aware of such a restriction on "the kill." It is unusual to use this form, as "killing" is more common, but "the kill" could apply to anything that can be killed.
    Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pokemon View Post
    # 2 and 4 are correct. The other two are not.
    I am still not clear of when 'visiting' and 'killing' should be use.
    Could you please give me more examples and explain why we should use them in such context. Thanks.

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    #8

    Re: noun

    1)The kill takes place in the mall.
    2)The killing takes place in the mall.
    3) The visiting is free.
    4) The visit is free. All four are ok.

    To find a difference, you need to look for a situation where you cannot freely replace 'the kill' for 'the killing' One springs to mind, but it is a compound noun, so it is not really valid here: The killing fields *The kill fields'
    Maybe this is not what you are looking for, but if we qualify using 'of the victims' differences start to appear.

    1)The kill of the victims takes place in the room. Not good
    2)The killing of the victims takes place in the room. Fine.

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    Re: noun

    Quote Originally Posted by Pedroski View Post
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    To find a difference, you need to look for a situation where you cannot freely replace 'the kill' for 'the killing'
    [ Can you please give me more examples of how the replacement can be done.]


    1)The kill of the victims takes place in the room. Not good
    2)The killing of the victims takes place in the room. Fine.

    [ why 'The kill' is not a good form ]
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