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    past perfect

    "I do," the intiate had lied.


    Why is it "had lied" not just "lied"?

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    #2

    Re: past perfect

    I for one need more context to answer this.

    What happened before that?

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    Re: past perfect

    Quote Originally Posted by Rover_KE View Post
    I for one need more context to answer this.

    What happened before that?

    Rover
    It's from the book I'm reading.

    " Do you seriously declare on your honor,uninfluenced by mercenary or any other unworthy motive,that you freely and voluntarily offer yourself as a candidate for the mysteries and privileges of this brotherhood?"

    "I do," the initiate had lied

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    Re: past perfect

    Quote Originally Posted by ostap77 View Post
    It's from the book I'm reading.

    " Do you seriously declare on your honor,uninfluenced by mercenary or any other unworthy motive,that you freely and voluntarily offer yourself as a candidate for the mysteries and privileges of this brotherhood?"

    "I do," the initiate had lied
    What comes before "Do you seriously declare...?"

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    Re: past perfect

    Quote Originally Posted by bhaisahab View Post
    What comes before "Do you seriously declare...?"
    On that night, in a ritual similar to this one, the Worshipful Master had blindfolded him with a velvet hoodwink and pressed a ceremonial dagger to his bare chest,demanding:


    Why was the past perefct used here "had blindfolded him" not past simple?

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    Re: past perfect

    Quote Originally Posted by ostap77 View Post
    On that night, in a ritual similar to this one, the Worshipful Master had blindfolded him with a velvet hoodwink and pressed a ceremonial dagger to his bare chest,demanding:


    Why was the past perfect used here "had blindfolded him" not past simple?
    It's a style of writing, recounting something which had happened in the past. What don't you like about it?

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    Re: past perfect

    Quote Originally Posted by bhaisahab View Post
    It's a style of writing, recounting something which had happened in the past. What don't you like about it?
    I'm not saying that I don't like it. I'm just curious if it's possible to use the past simple in this context. Why did author use the past perfect? To put the stress on what he did?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ostap77 View Post
    I'm not saying that I don't like it. I'm just curious if it's possible to use the past simple in this context. Why did author use the past perfect? To put the stress on what he did?
    To lay emphasis on its being something from the past retold.

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    Re: past perfect

    Quote Originally Posted by bhaisahab View Post
    To lay emphasis on its being something from the past retold.
    Can we use that in conversation?
    For example:

    " Do you remember Frank?"

    " Yes. It's to bad that he moved to another city. He had been an asset to our department.''

    Just emphasize that he was a great worker?

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    Re: past perfect

    Quote Originally Posted by ostap77 View Post
    Can we use that in conversation?
    For example:

    " Do you remember Frank?"

    " Yes. It's too bad that he moved to another city. He had been an asset to our department.''

    Just emphasize that he was a great worker?
    You could, but "was" is more likely.

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