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    left vs has left

    1) "Mike left for Germany. What was he doing before he went to Sweden? He had been getting ready for the conference."(My version.I kind of simplified it)

    OR

    2)"Mike has left for Germany. What had he been doing before he went to Sweden? He had been getting ready for the conference."(Original text)

    When there is no time indication I would use Past Simple instead of Present Perefect "John left for Sweden". Am I right? When the second speaker asked the first one "What was he doing before......" he wanted to know in general.
    When the first one replied "He had been...." he specified that John did a huge amount work getting ready for the conference.

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    Re: left vs has left

    hi
    when we just want to mention something happened in past ignoring the time we use simple past.But when we want to relate a past experience with present we use present perfect.

    example
    I went to Dubai.

    if sb ask u abt your qualification in an interview

    I have done Masters in Finance

    Regards

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    Re: left vs has left

    Quote Originally Posted by msaeeds View Post
    hi
    when we just want to mention something happened in past ignoring the time we use simple past.But when we want to relate a past experience with present we use present perfect.

    example
    I went to Dubai.

    if sb ask u abt your qualification in an interview

    I have done Masters in Finance

    Regards
    And the whole thing ?

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    Re: left vs has left

    Quote Originally Posted by ostap77 View Post
    1) "Mike left for Germany. What was he doing before he went to Sweden? He had been getting ready for the conference."(My version.I kind of simplified it)

    OR

    2)"Mike has left for Germany. What had he been doing before he went to Sweden? He had been getting ready for the conference."(Original text)

    When there is no time indication I would use Past Simple instead of Present Perefect "John left for Sweden". Am I right? When the second speaker asked the first one "What was he doing before......" he wanted to know in general.
    When the first one replied "He had been...." he specified that John did a huge amount work getting ready for the conference.

    NOT A TEACHER

    (1) You write:" When there is no time indication, I would use [the simple

    past] instead of [the] present perfect. Am I right?"

    (a) I think that most grammar books teach us that when there is no

    time indication, we should use the PRESENT PERFECT. When there is a

    time expression, we then use the PAST.

    (2) One book explains it this way:

    We use the present perfect when we emphasize the ACTION instead of the

    time of the action. Its example:

    John has seen that movie. "We connect a past action with the present

    moment."

    ***

    We use the past to describe an action at some definite time in the past.

    The book's example: John saw that movie LAST WEEK.

    IMPORTANT: Some books tell us that when you use the past, it is

    NOT always necessary to say or write the time expression. But the time

    expression must be in your mind or in the mind of your listener or reader.

    (3) "Mike left for Germany" would refer to something like "yesterday,"

    "last week," "one hour ago" --even if you do not actually say or

    write the time expression.

    (4) "Mike has left for Germany" is almost the same as:

    Mike is not here now. He is on his way to Germany.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheParser View Post
    NOT A TEACHER

    (1) You write:" When there is no time indication, I would use [the simple

    past] instead of [the] present perfect. Am I right?"

    (a) I think that most grammar books teach us that when there is no

    time indication, we should use the PRESENT PERFECT. When there is a

    time expression, we then use the PAST.

    (2) One book explains it this way:

    We use the present perfect when we emphasize the ACTION instead of the

    time of the action. Its example:

    John has seen that movie. "We connect a past action with the present

    moment."

    ***

    We use the past to describe an action at some definite time in the past.

    The book's example: John saw that movie LAST WEEK.

    IMPORTANT: Some books tell us that when you use the past, it is

    NOT always necessary to say or write the time expression. But the time

    expression must be in your mind or in the mind of your listener or reader.

    (3) "Mike left for Germany" would refer to something like "yesterday,"

    "last week," "one hour ago" --even if you do not actually say or

    write the time expression.

    (4) "Mike has left for Germany" is almost the same as:

    Mike is not here now. He is on his way to Germany.
    What about Past Progressive mixed up with Past Perfect Progressive in the first sentence?

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    Re: left vs has left

    Quote Originally Posted by ostap77 View Post
    What about Past Progressive mixed up with Past Perfect Progressive in the first sentence?
    NOT A TEACHER

    (1) I prefer the original sentence (the second sentence in your first post).

    (2) But I do not know enough grammar to explain why.

    (3) Hopefully, one of the teachers/moderators will answer.

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    Re: left vs has left

    YOU SEE? WHAT I, IN THE FIRST PLACE,HAD POSTED HERE,WHICH HAS BEEN DELETED BY SOMEONE WITH NO EXPLANATION, IS 100% CORRECT AND EFFICIENT ! DOES IT MATTER WHERE THE ASSISTANCE COMES FROM? YOU EVEN HAVE HAD NO APPRECIATION AFTER MY EFFORT TO HELP.
    TO ALL, FORGIVE ME IF I SOUNDED ARROGANT, I AM MUCH BETTER THAN SOME NATIVE SPEAKERS WHEN IT COMES TO ENGLISH GRAMMAR ,THOUGH I AM NOT A TEACHER AND I AM FROM ASIA. PLEASE, SHOW RESPECT AT LEAST AND FAIR PLAY !
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    Re: left vs has left

    Quote Originally Posted by kenkk2 View Post
    YOU SEE? WHAT I, IN THE FIRST PLACE,HAD POSTED HERE,WHICH HAS BEEN DELETED BY SOMEONE WITH NO EXPLANATION, IS 100% CORRECT AND EFFICIENT ! DOES IT MATTER WHERE THE ASSISTANCE COMES FROM? YOU EVEN HAVE HAD NO APPRECIATION AFTER MY EFFORT TO HELP.
    TO ALL, FORGIVE ME IF I SOUNDED ARROGANT, I AM MUCH BETTER THAN SOME NATIVE SPEAKERS WHEN IT COMES TO ENGLISH GRAMMAR ,THOUGH I AM NOT A TEACHER AND I AM FROM ASIA. PLEASE, SHOW RESPECT AT LEAST AND FAIR PLAY !
    I have answered you in a message.

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    Re: left vs has left

    Quote Originally Posted by Tdol View Post
    I have answered you in a message.
    Thanks, i got it! I still do not think the problem( mine being deleted)comes from the system, I was posting many times and all are still here except the one I mentioned. Anyway, it's ok now though I wonder how many Administrators there are after you said it was not you who'd deleted it.
    Best regards,
    kenk

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    Re: left vs has left

    /A learner/

    I'd say

    Mike's gone (left) for Germany. (He's on his way to there)
    Mike went to Germany. (In a context. He's in Germany now. The travelling's over)

    What had he been doing before he went to Germany?
    He'd been getting ready for the conference there.

    Any mistakes?

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