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    #1

    stress on a fact in the past

    "There had been quite a few playwrights,who managed to reach the audience"
    Is it OK use "had been" instead of "were" to accantuate a point in the past? Is it possible to use Past Simple in the second part of the sentece?

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    #2

    Re: stress on a fact in the past

    I think "have" would work better than "had" there. Try:
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    There have been quite a few playwrights who managed to reach an audience.


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    #3

    Re: stress on a fact in the past

    Quote Originally Posted by RonBee View Post
    I think "have" would work better than "had" there. Try:
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    There have been quite a few playwrights who managed to reach an audience.


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    What if I add "during the 80s"?

    "There had been quite a few playwrights during the 80s, who managed to reach an audience"?

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    #4

    Re: stress on a fact in the past

    /A learner/

    Quote Originally Posted by ostap77 View Post
    What if I add "during the 80s"?
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    #5

    Re: stress on a fact in the past

    Quote Originally Posted by e2e4 View Post
    /A learner/


    were
    What If I want to accentuate the fact that there were?

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    #6

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    /A learner/

    I haven't got you this time.

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    #7

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    /A learner/

    I haven't got you this time.
    I mean emphasize.

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    #8

    Re: stress on a fact in the past

    Emphasise what?

    Quote Originally Posted by ostap77 View Post
    What If I want to accentuate the fact that there were?
    What if I wanted to accentuate the fact that...The rest I don't understand!

    What "there were" is supposed to mean?

    I see no place for the past perfect in the sentence under any circumstances.

    Could this form below work for you?

    There were quite a few playwrights who were managing to reach an audience.

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    #9

    Re: stress on a fact in the past

    Quote Originally Posted by ostap77 View Post
    What if I add "during the 80s"?

    "There had been quite a few playwrights during the 80s who managed to reach an audience"?
    No, you still need two events in the past (at least implicitly) to use the past perfect. Emphasis is not a role for the past perfect by itself.

    "As the twentieth century drew to an end, playwrights began to lose touch with their audiences. There had been quite a few playwrights during the 80s who managed to reach an audience. Where were they in the 90s?"
    You could use the simple past here, but note that the use of the past perfect prevents the ambiguity of counting the "playwrights in the 80s" among "the playwrights at the end of the century". The third sentence clarifies that; but the use of the past perfect prevents you from having to read the passage a few times to get its meaning.

    PS: I've removed your incorrect comma before the "who" clause.

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    Re: stress on a fact in the past

    /A learner/

    Quote Originally Posted by Raymott View Post
    PS: I've removed your incorrect comma before the "who" clause.
    Then the "who" clause could be a defining relative clause, right?

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