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    #1

    word order and adverbial

    Hi,

    and thanks for a great site. I struggle to master word order in English, and am unsure of this one:

    “His general critique of Marxism has been dealt with in this journal before, but I will expand further on the issue.”

    OR

    “His general critique of Marxism has been dealt with in this journal before, but I will expand on the issue further.”

    This is what I think - please correct me if I am wrong:
    1) Both positions are gramatically correct.
    2) Fronting "further" in this case means a stronger emphasis on it (as opposed to emphasising e.g. "expand".
    3) The first, fronted, version sounds better in the ears of a native speaker.

    Or is this totally irrelevant?

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    #2

    Re: word order and adverbial

    I think you've got everything right.

    Rover

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    #3

    Re: word order and adverbial

    Thanks!

    Here is a variant on the same problem:

    For Baudrillard, this category is essential, because whereas exchange value and its logics governed society in the stage of early capitalism, today they have been succeeded by sign value logics.

    OR

    For Baudrillard, this category is essential, because whereas exchange value and its logics governed society in the stage of early capitalism, they have been succeeded by sign value logics today.

    Here is what I think:
    1) Again, both positions are correct.
    2) The second alternative is the most common, and therefore would fronting of "today" make it emphasized.
    3) I think both sentences sounds equally good, but I am no native speaker...

    What do you think, Rover and others?

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    #4

    Re: word order and adverbial

    His general critique of Marxism has been dealt with in this journal before, but I will expand further on the issue.
    I would be happy with any of the three variants
    but I will further expand on the issue.
    but I will expand further on the issue.
    but I will expand on the issue further. 'expand further' is a redundancy, as expansion per se increases. Not that I have anything against redundancy.

    Same here: but five variants.

    today they have been succeeded by sign value logics.
    they, today, have been succeeded by sign value logics.
    they have, today, been succeeded by sign value logics.
    they have been succeeded today by sign value logics.
    they have been succeeded by sign value logics today. What a flexible language!

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    #5

    Re: word order and adverbial

    thanks Pedroski!

    Do you see any semantic differences between the five alternatives you listed? Or would a native speaker interpret them equally?

    /Postdeborinite?

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    #6

    Re: word order and adverbial

    No, I don't see any difference in the meaning of the various clauses. I don't like 'been today succeeded'. I can't really say why.

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