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    He was seen as having left before midnight

    1 He was reported as having been shot.
    2 He was seen as having left before midnight.


    Dear all,

    I know sentence 1 is correct, but am confused whether sentence 2 works for you also. A friend told me that I couldn't see him having left because the act of his leaving happened before I saw. May I have your opinions? Thanks.


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    Re: He was seen as having left before midnight

    The second sentence is fine. Tell your friend that somebody else saw him leave - not you.

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    Re: He was seen as having left before midnight

    Quote Originally Posted by Rover_KE View Post
    The second sentence is fine. Tell your friend that somebody else saw him leave - not you.

    Rover
    Thank you, Rover. Could you give me a circumstance where the second sentence would be used?

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    Re: He was seen as having left before midnight

    Quote Originally Posted by Rover_KE View Post
    The second sentence is fine. Tell your friend that somebody else saw him leave - not you.

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    I don't agree. I still feel that the friend is right. Even if somebody else saw the leaving, the leaving and the seeing are still simultaneous.

    The only possible explanation I can come up with is by understanding seen to convey the idea of considered, judged. The utterance would then mean something equivalent to: it was considered that he had left.

    I have to admit that this sounds rather unlikely.
    Last edited by 5jj; 21-Oct-2010 at 17:34. Reason: typo

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    Re: He was seen as having left before midnight

    Quote Originally Posted by fivejedjon View Post
    I don't agree. I still feel that the friend is right. Even if somebody else saw the leaving, the leaving and the seeing are still simultaneous.

    The only possible explanation I can come up with is by understanding seen to convey the idea of considered, judged. The utterance would then mean something equivalent to: it was considered that he had left.

    I have to admit that this sounds rather unlikely.
    I agree, "seen as having left" doesn't work for me either. He could of course have been "seen leaving", or it could have been "noticed that he had left".

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