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    #1

    by the 7 o'clock train

    Are these expressions okay?

    1. He will come here by the 7 o'clock train.
    2. He will come here by 7 o'clock train.
    3. He will come here on the 7 o'clock train.

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    #2

    Re: by the 7 o'clock train

    Quote Originally Posted by Snappy View Post
    Are these expressions okay?

    1. He will come here by the 7 o'clock train.
    2. He will come here by 7 o'clock train.
    3. He will come here on the 7 o'clock train.
    #3 please. You will not hear #'s 1 or 2 in AmE.

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    Re: by the 7 o'clock train

    You won't actually hear "he will come here" by any train, in any English dialect. We'd say arrive, or come.

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    Re: by the 7 o'clock train

    Let me confirm one more thing.
    "* went by the * o'clock train" is found in native speakers' writings.
    Is this a non-standard expression or "went by the * o'clock train" is idiomatically exceptional?

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    Re: by the 7 o'clock train

    Quote Originally Posted by Snappy View Post
    Let me confirm one more thing.
    "* went by the * o'clock train" is found in native speakers' writings.
    Is this a non-standard expression or "went by the * o'clock train" is idiomatically exceptional?
    Two points:
    1. I don't entirely agree with konungursvia when he says, "You won't actually hear "he will come here" by any train, in any English dialect. We'd say arrive, or come." It may not be common, but it's possible.
    2. In your example (above), will come is now went. Still, with COME or GO, on is probably more common, but by is possible.

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    Re: by the 7 o'clock train

    My point is that "come here" is a particular sort of phrase, and is usually imperative. If you're using a future indicative mood and tense, just "come" would suffice, and sound natural. Or, you could use "arrive". But in such a case, "come here" sounds like a non-native mixing registers.

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    Re: by the 7 o'clock train

    Quote Originally Posted by konungursvia View Post
    My point is that "come here" is a particular sort of phrase, and is usually imperative. If you're using a future indicative mood and tense, just "come" would suffice, and sound natural. Or, you could use "arrive". But in such a case, "come here" sounds like a non-native mixing registers.
    This may be true of your dialect. Arrive or come are possibly more likely than come here in my dialect for the original sentence, but come here is perfectly natural.

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    Re: by the 7 o'clock train

    I am suggesting it is not very natural when juxtaposed with a means of transport. Perhaps you're getting too used to Czech, and have lost touch with English to some extent.

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    Re: by the 7 o'clock train

    Quote Originally Posted by Snappy View Post
    Let me confirm one more thing.
    "* went by the * o'clock train" is found in native speakers' writings.
    ...
    Yes, but - strangely - not 'come'. It seems to be an elided version of 'went by [train: specifically,] the N o'clock train.'

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    Re: by the 7 o'clock train

    Quote Originally Posted by konungursvia View Post
    I am suggesting it is not very natural when juxtaposed with a means of transport. Perhaps you're getting too used to Czech, and have lost touch with English to some extent.
    That is, of course, always possible. However, I discussed this with a number of colleagues. Most of the BrE speakers agreed with me that: Arrive or come are possibly more likely than come here in my dialect for the original sentence, but come here is perfectly natural.

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