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    first <---> firstly

    In this sentence,
    Can "first" and "second" " use instead of "firstly" and "secondly" ?

    The plan was not practical, firstly, because of the cost, and
    secondly, because local people did not support it.

    I'm confused.

    Thank you.

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    Re: first <---> firstly

    Quote Originally Posted by nekoneko View Post
    In this sentence,
    Can "first" and "second" " use instead of "firstly" and "secondly" ?

    The plan was not practical, firstly, because of the cost, and
    secondly, because local people did not support it.

    I'm confused.

    Thank you.
    NOT A NATIVE TEACHER

    It sounds okay to me...

    firstly
    firstly
    S2 /ˈfəːstli US -əːr-/ adv [sentence adverb]
    used to say that the fact or reason that you are going to mention is the first one and will be followed by others
    finally, lastly lastly
     Firstly, I would like to thank everyone who has contributed to this success.


    First
    【MAIN】
    most important
     Our first priority is to maintain the standard of work.
     As I see it, my first responsibility is to my family.

    So
    firstly: you are mentioning about your first fact
    first: you are metioning about the most important fact

    So I believe, both sound okay

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    Re: first <---> firstly

    Quote Originally Posted by nekoneko View Post
    In this sentence,
    Can "first" and "second" " be used instead of "firstly" and "secondly" ?
    (This is a passive construction).

    The plan was not practical, firstly, because of the cost, and
    secondly, because local people did not support it.

    I'm confused.

    Thank you.
    Yes.


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    Re: first <---> firstly

    Thank you ,teachers.

    According to my learner's dictionary(Collins Cobuild) , it says

    first (as adverb)
    You use "first" when you are about to give the first in a series of items.

    firstly
    You use "firstly" when you want to give a reason,make a point, or mention an item that will be followed by others connected with it.


    So is it OK to conclude those two difinitions are same ?

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    Re: first <---> firstly

    Quote Originally Posted by nekoneko View Post
    Thank you ,teachers.

    So is it OK to conclude those two difinitions are same ?
    If we are talking about stating 'first or most important fact' I reckon you can use them (first and firstly interchangeably). But if you look carefully at 'first', it has at least 18 different entries:

    1【in a series】
    2 for the first time
    3【main】
    4 in the first place
    5 in the first instance
    6 at first glance/sight
    7 first things first
    8 (at) first hand
    9 first prize/place
    10 first choice
    11 first thing
    12 at first light
    13 make the first move
    14 not have the first idea about something
    15 the first flush of something
    16【job title】
    17 first among equals
    18 of the first water
    (Source: Longman Dictionary)

    So we cannot say that both have the same meaning since if you apply 'first' to a different context it will give you a different meaning.

    I won the first place (O)
    I won the firstly place (X)


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    Re: first <---> firstly

    Quote Originally Posted by nekoneko View Post
    Thank you ,teachers.

    According to my learner's dictionary(Collins Cobuild) , it says

    first (as adverb)
    You use "first" when you are about to give the first in a series of items.

    firstly
    You use "firstly" when you want to give a reason,make a point, or mention an item that will be followed by others connected with it.
    That was what I was taught at school fifty years ago.

    I don't think many people followed the rule even then. They certainly don't appear to today.

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    Re: first <---> firstly

    Quote Originally Posted by fivejedjon View Post
    That was what I was taught at school fifty years ago.

    I don't think many people followed the rule even then. They certainly don't appear to today.
    I believe this is a matter of fact that prescriptive and descriptive grammar will always come in between..

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