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    subjunctive

    "It is high time she realized her duty"
    Why is there the past form in this sentence? Can't it be
    "It is high time she realize her duty". What is the difference?

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    Re: subjunctive

    Use it's high time + past rather than present.

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    Re: subjunctive

    Quote Originally Posted by tipu s View Post
    "It is high time she realized her duty"
    Why is there the past form in this sentence? Can't it be
    "It is high time she realize her duty". What is the difference?
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    Tipu,


    I found something on the Web that I try to follow. It may help

    you to decide which one you wish to use.

    It is high time (that) we send him a letter.

    =

    a plan to do something real.

    It is high time (that) we sent him a letter.

    =

    A regret that we haven't done something yet.


    Thank you

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    Re: subjunctive

    Quote Originally Posted by tipu s View Post
    "It is high time she realized her duty"
    Why is there the past form in this sentence? Can't it be
    "It is high time she realize her duty". What is the difference?

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    Tipu,

    I found this in Professor George O. Curme's A Grammar of the English

    Language:

    (1) It is high time that he go.

    (2) It is high time that he went/ were going/ should go.

    The professor says that the answers in No. 2 are more

    "modest." He does not define "modest." I guess that he means

    that No. 1 is stronger and more demanding than No. 2.

    For example, if you had a friend, it might be more courteous

    to say:

    It is high time that your son studied harder.

    Perhaps "It is high time that your son study harder" might be

    too strong or demanding.


    Thank you

    P. S. They often say that in English, the past form is more

    courteous. Compare:

    Hey! Can I sit here?

    Excuse me. Could I sit here, please?

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    Re: subjunctive

    Quote Originally Posted by TheParser View Post
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    Tipu,


    I found something on the Web that I try to follow. It may help

    you to decide which one you wish to use.

    It is high time (that) we send him a letter.

    =

    a plan to do something real.

    It is high time (that) we sent him a letter.

    =

    A regret that we haven't done something yet.


    Thank you
    Are you saying it's correct to use the subjunctive mood after the construction "It is high time that"?

    I thought only the past tense was correct.

    Thanks.

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    Re: subjunctive

    Quote Originally Posted by Jasmin165 View Post
    Are you saying it's correct to use the subjunctive mood after the construction "It is high time that"?

    I thought only the past tense was correct.

    Thanks.

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    Jasmin,

    Until one of the teachers answers your great question, may I try?

    According to Professor Curme and others, the answer to your question is

    YES.

    It is high time that he go (so-called present subjunctive).

    It is high time that he went (so-called past subjunctive

    which -- as you said -- is the same as the regular, indicative past).

    Most "experts" see a difference in meaning between the two.

    (As I tried to explain in my two other posts in this thread.)

    I guess (repeat: guess) that the present subjunctive is a little

    stronger than the past subjunctive. So I guess we would not

    go wrong to advise learners to always use the past subjunctive.

    Later when they understand better the nuances of English, they

    can then turn their attention to the present subjunctive in this kind

    of sentence.



    Thank you

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    Re: subjunctive

    Curme was writing 70 years ago.

    Standard BrE is as Tdol said: Use it's high time + past rather than present.


    "It is high time she realized her duty" .

    This means something like:

    The ideal time for her to realize her duty is (almost) past.

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    Re: subjunctive

    Quote Originally Posted by Tdol View Post
    Use it's high time + past rather than present.
    And what about this sentence
    "He urged that I go (or went) there."

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    Re: subjunctive

    Quote Originally Posted by tipu s View Post
    And what about this sentence
    "He urged that I go (or went) there."
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    Only "go" is correct.

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    Re: subjunctive

    Quote Originally Posted by Jasmin165 View Post
    NOT A TEACHER.

    Only "go" is correct.
    Maybe, but it still sounds strange.
    He urged me to go there is a much more natural construction.

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