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    If..., he shall / will

    --Tom is still absent from class.
    --If he goes on like this, he ______ (shall/will) be punished.

    The given answer is 'shall', but I think 'will' is better as 'shall' (used to express a warning) sounds old-fashioned. Am I right?

    Thank you in advance.
    Last edited by joham; 17-Nov-2010 at 05:27. Reason: a few words added.

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    Re: If..., he shall / will

    Quote Originally Posted by joham View Post
    --Tom is still absent from class.
    --If he goes on like this, he ______ (shall/will) be punished.

    The given answer is 'shall', but I think 'will' is better as 'shall' (used to express a warning) sounds old-fashioned. Am I right? Yes
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    Re: If..., he shall / will

    Quote Originally Posted by joham View Post
    --Tom is still absent from class.
    --If he goes on like this, he ______ (shall/will) be punished.

    The given answer is 'shall', but I think 'will' is better as 'shall' (used to express a warning) sounds old-fashioned. Am I right?


    Thank you in advance.

    ***** NOT A TEACHER / ONLY MY OPINION


    Joham,

    I agree with the "old-fashioned" people who feel that it would

    be better to use "shall" in your sentence. As you said, "shall"

    gives a nuance of a warning while "will" better represents the

    plain future for the third person.

    Thank you

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    Re: If..., he shall / will

    Quote Originally Posted by TheParser View Post
    I agree with the "old-fashioned" people who feel that it would

    be better to use "shall" in your sentence.
    As you say, this is only your opinion.

    Quirk et al (1985) write: Shall is in very restricted use with 2nd and 3rd person subjects as a way of expressing the speaker's volition, either in granting a favour or in giving orders. [...] Shall is archaic and authoritarian' in tone.
    [...]
    A further restricted use of shall with a 3rd person subject occurs in legal or quai-legal discourse, in stipulating regulations or legal requirements. Here shall is close in meaning to must.

    (my emphasis added)

    Other writers agree that such use is rare.

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    Re: If..., he shall / will

    Quote Originally Posted by TheParser View Post
    As you said, "shall" gives a nuance of a warning
    I also perceive this nuance. I'm curious if others do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by birdeen's call View Post
    I also perceive this nuance. I'm curious if others do.
    I hope that what follows does not sound patronising - it is not meant to be.

    I suspect that you feel the nuance because you were taught 'correct' English some years ago - and you remember what you were taught.

    I was taught 'correct' French and German in the 1950s and early 1960s, and was somewhat disheartened on first visiting France and Germany to discover that my language was appropriate for a septuagenarian professor, but not for a teeenager.

    I am sure that my English masters at school would hve been very happy with, "If he goes on like this, he shall be punished". I probably was myself, once upon a time. However, I feel that 'will' is the correct and natural answer to the original question for the English of today.

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    Re: If..., he shall / will

    It might be the influence of some earlier stages of my education, I agree. Anyway, I associate "shall" with the old schoolmaster indeed, best holding a rod.

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