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    to be given / to have been given

    Howdy!

    Would you please tell me what is the difference between these two sentences?

    He was said to be given the prize last year.
    He was said to have been given the prize last year.

    Thanks very much.
    Last edited by Nathan Mckane; 22-Nov-2010 at 20:01.

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    Re: to be given / to have been given

    Quote Originally Posted by Nathan Mckane View Post
    Howdy!

    Would you please tell me what is the difference between these two sentences?

    He was said to be given the prize last year.
    He was said to have been given the price last year.
    The first is not acceptable.

    The second is acceptable if the situation is:

    He was said (at some time before now and after the giving) to have been given the prize.

    The suggestion here may be that such a thing is no longer said.

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    Re: to be given / to have been given

    Thanks very much for your answer, would you please tell me why the first one is not acceptable?

    Thanks again.

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    Thanks very much for your answer, would you please tell me why the first one is not acceptable?
    I'll have to think about that - and pray that somebody else comes in quickly with an answer.

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    #5

    Re: to be given / to have been given

    Quote Originally Posted by Nathan Mckane View Post
    Howdy!

    Would you please tell me what is the difference between these two sentences?

    He was said to be given the prize last year.
    He was said to have been given the prize last year.
    The second sentence emphasizes the time sequence of reporting and the receiving of the prize. Both sentences are grammatical.

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    Re: to be given / to have been given

    Quote Originally Posted by corum View Post
    The second sentence emphasizes the time sequence of reporting and the receiving of the prize. Both sentences are grammatical.
    The first one is grammatical, but it doesn't mean anything. "My trousers eat mangoes while flying north for the winter" is grammatical, but....

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    #7

    Re: to be given / to have been given

    He was said [to be given the prize last year], but later it turned out that the genuine winner was someone else.

    He was said [to be given the prize last year], and later it was officially confirmed that he was indeed the winner.

    He was said [to be given the prize last year], but it turned out recently that it did not happen last year but happened two years ago.

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    Re: to be given / to have been given

    Quote Originally Posted by corum View Post
    He was said [to be given the prize last year], but later it turned out that the genuine winner was someone else.

    He was said [to be given the prize last year], and later it was officially confirmed that he was indeed the winner.

    He was said [to be given the prize last year], but it turned out recently that it did not happen last year but happened two years ago.
    These sound very weird indeed to me.

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    #9

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    I agree that the first sentence is wrong.

    Btw, corum, congratulations on having finally become native in English!

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    I found your comment sarcastic, Raymott. Am I right?

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