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    Four difficult sentences for me to understand

    I am transcribing the words of a film of the 60's, and I found four more sentences that I can't understand. Anyone could transcribe them for me? The first one refers to some type of flowers, and the last one contains the words of a madman. They are recorded directly from the soundtrack in the attached file. It lasts 17 seconds. Thanks.
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    Re: Four difficult sentences for me to understand

    I was more sure when I helped you before. This time I am just recording what I hear. If you give me more context I may be able to be more helpful.

    What movie is it? Are the names of the flowers clear anywhere else? Can you describe what I happening on the screen during these scenes?

    Now here we have (and that's)/(next) the ?bobkin? white.

    This is ?(called awn)? / ?(caroldon)?

    And that's a gladiator.

    I think you're as rehearsed as a man could be.

    Howee, why must you gentlemen conform, hmm? Why not turn to these peasants, look them in the eye and say "The hell with conformity!"

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    Re: Four difficult sentences for me to understand

    This is ?(called awn)? / ?(caroldon)?

    It sounded more like the first to me.

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    Re: Four difficult sentences for me to understand

    Thanks, Munch and Tdol.

    The fourth and fifth sentences are OK to me, but I can't say the same thing about the first three.

    What kind of flower is a bobkin? an awn? a caroldon?

    I googled the web without results.

    What you thought was "a gladiator" is indeed "a gladiolus". This a very common flower, even here in Spain.

    You asked me about the name of the movie: It's "Shock Treatment" (1964) starring Stuart Whitman & Lauren Bacall.

    Sorry, they don't repeat the name of the flowers later.

    Munch, I tell you what's happening on the screen during this scenes: A man is showing some plants and flowers to another guy in a Garden Center, proving that he knows a lot about their features.

    Maybe I need some expert in Botanic gardens to understand and write the correct names of the flowers. Some minutes ago, I looked up a list of the 100 most common flowers and neither of them sounded like awn, bobkin or caroldon. Any help?

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    Re: Four difficult sentences for me to understand

    Quote Originally Posted by gamboler View Post
    Thanks, Munch and Tdol.


    What you thought was "a gladiator" is indeed "a gladiolus". This a very common flower, even here in Spain.
    Well, I listened several times, and there is no shadow of doubt in my mind that he said 'gladiator'.

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    I saw the scene again and it's clear that the third flower is a gladiolus.

    Maybe Stuart Whitman (the star) has a bad pronunciation or knows nothing about plants, but "gladiator" is not a the name of a flower but a man trained to fight with other men or with animals for the amusement of spectators in ancient Rome. And it is also the name of the famous Ridley Scott movie! Anything about the other mysterious flowers?

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    Quote Originally Posted by fivejedjon View Post
    Well, I listened several times, and there is no shadow of doubt in my mind that he said 'gladiator'.
    Yes, I am sure too. I listened carefully because I assumed I had misheard "gladiolus". He says "gladiator" which might be a joke - maybe he tried to learn about flowers but he still makes a lot of mistakes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gamboler View Post
    I saw the scene again and it's clear that the third flower is a gladiolus. That is irrelevant. He said, 'gladiator'. You have fallen into the the common trap of hearing what you want to hear. You know that the flower is a gladioulus, so your ear/brain cannot believe that that it hears 'gladiator'.


    (Did your eye/brain notice that I wrote the word 'the' twice before 'common' and the word 'that' twice after 'believe'?)

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    Re: Four difficult sentences for me to understand

    You are right, fivejedjon. I didn't notice the duplicity!

    And maybe, as Munch said, it was an intentional joke of the gardener.

    But I still want the answer to what "bobkins" "awns" and "caroldons" are. I'm sure these words are missepelled.

    Any expert in gardening who can guess the real name of the flowers hearing again the audio file?

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    Re: Four difficult sentences for me to understand

    Is the man a passionate flower lover? Following this 'gladiator' logic, he could be referring to the flowers using common names or terms rather than botanical ones. This is highly impropable, but...

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