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    Thank you teachers:)

    I was wriing an essay, and I made a sentence "it makes the argument that teachers deserve higher salary unreliable" It looks a little bit unnatural since the phrase in object position is so long. Is there a good way to solve this?

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    Re: Thank you teachers:)

    Quote Originally Posted by zzang418lee View Post
    I was wri[t]ing an essay, and I made wrote a sentence "it makes the argument that teachers deserve [a] higher salary unreliable" It looks a little bit unnatural since the phrase in object position is so long. Is there a good way to solve this?
    I like the structure. It works, but the word 'unreliable' doesn't.

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    Re: Thank you teachers:)

    Quote Originally Posted by zzang418lee View Post
    I was writing an essay, and I made a sentence "it makes the argument that teachers deserve higher salary unreliable" It looks a little bit unnatural since the phrase in object position is so long. Is there a good way to solve this?
    "it makes the argument that teachers deserve higher salary unreliable"
    To make this a valid sentence, you need to capitalise the first letter and put a full stop at the end. Otherwise it's a good sentence.

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    Re: Thank you teachers:)

    Quote Originally Posted by Gillnetter View Post
    What do you think this sentence means?
    It (= something already mentioned) makes a certain argument unreliable.

    Which argument does it make unreliable?

    The argument that teachers deserve a higher salary.

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    Re: Thank you teachers:)

    I'm pretty sure 'unreliable' is not the right word here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raymott View Post
    I'm pretty sure 'unreliable' is not the right word here.
    I agree. I was concentrating on the structure.

    IMO, unreliable is not impossible, but I would prefer unsound/invalid/indefensible?/untenable?

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    Re: Thank you teachers:)

    Quote Originally Posted by Gillnetter View Post
    Yes, but shouldn't it be - it makes the argument that teachers deserve a higher salary unreliable"
    Indeed. That had gone previously unremarked, so I just put it into my version without comment. You are right - it needs to be pointed out that the original version also needs the article.

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    Re: Thank you teachers:)

    I missed the absence of the article, sorry. I agree that "unreliable" is perhaps not the best word to use but it's not incorrect.

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    Re: Thank you teachers:)

    Quote Originally Posted by bhaisahab View Post
    I missed the absence of the article, sorry. I agree that "unreliable" is perhaps not the best word to use but it's not incorrect.
    Agreed. It's not incorrect, just vague.

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    Re: Thank you teachers:)

    Quote Originally Posted by fivejedjon View Post
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    IMO, unreliable is not impossible, but I would prefer unsound/invalid/indefensible?/untenable?
    ... or, indeed, any other word that collocates* with "argument" - "disputable", "without [firm] foundation", "shaky", "questionable", "ridiculous", "puerile", "fatuous" .... They don't mean the same, but they're all possible.

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    PS * 'Collocation" [='placing with'] has to be stronger if the words aren't next to each other; so I'd be tempted, in a case where I found 'unreliable' to be le mot juste, to rewrite the sentence to make the words "argument" and "unreliable" 'co-locate'!

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