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    Therefor

    "If the technician is unable to detect a malfunction, the services provided therefor shall be charged separately."

    "Therefor" is supposed to denote the services provided for detecting a malfunction, but I wonder if it really does. If it doesn't, how else could one get that across without writing "the services provided for detecting a malfunction"?

    How about this?

    "If the technician is unable to detect a malfunction, the services provided for that purpose shall be charged separately."

    Thanks!

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    Re: Therefor

    Quote Originally Posted by Jasmin165 View Post
    "If the technician is unable to detect a malfunction, the services provided therefor shall be charged separately."

    "Therefor" is supposed to denote the services provided for detecting a malfunction, but I wonder if it really does. It does, but it's very legalistically old fahioned.

    "If the technician is unable to detect a malfunction, the services provided for that purpose shall be charged separately." fine
    Actually, neither the antiquated version nor your improved version is perfect. A pedant might insist on something like:

    If the technician is unable to detect a malfunction, the services provided in attempting to to detect a malfunction shall be charged separately.

    Or:

    If detection reveals no malfunction, detection services shall be charged separately
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    Or: If detection services reveal no malfunction, they shall be charged separately.

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    Re: Therefor

    [QUOTE=fivejedjon;682995]Actually, neither the antiquated version nor your improved version is perfect. A pedant might insist on something like:

    If the technician is unable to detect a malfunction, the services provided in attempting to to detect a malfunction shall be charged separately./QUOTE]

    How about shortening the above sentence to "the services provided in attempting to do so shall be charged separately"?

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    Re: Therefor

    Quote Originally Posted by Jasmin165 View Post
    How about shortening the above sentence to "the services provided in attempting to do so shall be charged separately"?
    I am personally happy with that. I suspect that corporations and their legal departments might not be. 'Attempting' might suggest that they tried and failed even though there was a malfuction. For the same reason, I am unhappy (now) about 'if the technician is unable..'

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    Re: Therefor

    Quote Originally Posted by fivejedjon View Post
    I am personally happy with that. I suspect that corporations and their legal departments might not be. 'Attempting' might suggest that they tried and failed even though there was a malfuction. For the same reason, I am unhappy (now) about 'if the technician is unable..'
    Don't fret over that.

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    Re: Therefor

    Quote Originally Posted by fivejedjon View Post
    Actually, neither the antiquated version nor your improved version is perfect. A pedant might insist on something like:

    If the technician is unable to detect a malfunction, the services provided in attempting to to detect a malfunction shall be charged separately.

    Or:

    If detection reveals no malfunction, detection services shall be charged separately.

    Or: If detection services reveal no malfunction, they shall be charged separately.
    I'd be interested in knowing why neither "therefor" nor "for that purpose" is ideal. Is it because they don't have a clear referent in the previous clause?

    Thank you.

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    Re: Therefor

    Quote Originally Posted by Jasmin165 View Post
    I'd be interested in knowing why neither "therefor" nor "for that purpose" is ideal. Is it because they don't have a clear referent in the previous clause?
    "If the technician is unable to detect a malfunction, the services provided therefor shall be charged separately."

    I may be being hypersensitive here. I think that the expressions could be interpreted as referring back to the malfunction or to the technician's inability. I think that it is not clear that they refer to the services.

    I think.

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    Re: Therefor

    It's worth noting that the archaic 'therefor' and the current 'therefore' are stressed differently, and have meanings that are almost diametrically opposed:

    'A therefore B' means 'B, the reason therefor is/was A.

    This makes it a good idea to avoid 'therefor' if you can (and you can).

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