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    None of + (singular) (plural)

    Do you feel "none of" may be use with either a singular or a plural verb?

    I'd like to confirm that both of these are correct:

    None of the girls likes me. Correct???
    None of the girls like me. Correct

    BUT...

    None of the cars are broken. Correct
    None of the car is broken. Incorrect

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    Re: None of + (singular) (plural)

    I just found this example in a textbook:
    None of the girls likes jogging. Corect
    None of the girls like jogging. Incorrect (I'm surprised the text says this one is incorrect)



    Quote Originally Posted by youandcorey View Post
    Do you feel "none of" may be use with either a singular or a plural verb?

    I'd like to confirm that both of these are correct:

    None of the girls likes me. Correct???
    None of the girls like me. Correct

    BUT...

    None of the cars are broken. Correct
    None of the car is broken. Incorrect

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    Re: None of + (singular) (plural)

    People who are strictly prescriptive will tell you that "none" takes a singular verb.

    If you search this forum (or other ESL forums) you'll fine a LOT of discussion on this.

    In the end, not only do native speakers not agree, but the same speaker will be inconsistent in how he or she uses it.
    I'm not a teacher, but I write for a living. Please don't ask me about 2nd conditionals, but I'm a safe bet for what reads well in (American) English.

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    Re: None of + (singular) (plural)

    Thanks Barb! You're the best!

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    Re: None of + (singular) (plural)

    Quote Originally Posted by youandcorey View Post
    Do you feel "none of" may be use with either a singular or a plural verb?

    I'd like to confirm that both of these are correct:

    None of the girls likes me. Correct???
    None of the girls like me. Correct

    BUT...

    None of the cars are broken. Correct
    None of the car is broken. Incorrect
    None of the cars are broken.
    Zero (among these cars) are broken. (only 'one' is singular; zero is not 'one' --> zero = plural)

    None of the car is never correct --> 'none' presupposes you have a choice (from more than one items) --> none of the cars

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    None of the cars is broken.
    Not one (none) of the cars is broken

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    Re: None of + (singular) (plural)

    Quote Originally Posted by youandcorey View Post
    Do you feel "none of" may be use with either a singular or a plural verb?

    I'd like to confirm that both of these are correct:

    None of the girls likes me. Correct???
    None of the girls like me. Correct

    BUT...

    None of the cars are broken. Correct
    None of the car is broken. Incorrect

    NOT A TEACHER


    Youandcorey,


    In case you have not yet read Woe Is I by Ms. Patricia T. O'Conner

    ("a former editor at The New York Times Book Review"), I most

    respectfully direct your attention to her opinion:

    (1) If it suggests "none of them," use the plural:

    None are excited. (None of the fans are excited.)


    (2) If it suggests "none of it," use the singular:

    None was worth broadcasting. (None of the boxing bout was ....)

    She then gives this very practical and commonsense advice:

    (My wording) If you REALLY mean "not one," then just

    say/write "not one"!!!


    THANK YOU & HAVE A NICE DAY

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    Re: None of + (singular) (plural)

    (1) If it suggests "none of them," use the plural:

    None are excited. (None of the fans are excited.)


    (2) If it suggests "none of it," use the singular:
    The "none of it" and "none of them" forms are governed by the countability value of the subsequent NP. No semantics is involved here, IMO.

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    Re: None of + (singular) (plural)

    Great advice can surely be found at this forum. Thank you all very much!

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