Originally Posted by 2006
Are you actually saying that most of you deliberately pronounce "clothes" the exact same way as "close", taking care not to include even a hint of a th sound? That's what it sounds like you are saying. No, we don't take care to do it - it just happens.
And I don't know why any English teacher would want to try to convince her students that the pronunciation of "clothes" and "close" is the same, when they are not the same.
A careful pronunciation of 'clothes' is of course not the same as that of 'close'. That's what I've been saying, and there's no reason pronunciation shouldn't be careful.
However, the word 'clothes' is frequently pronounced/kləʊz/(BrE, ) /kloʊz/(AmE) by native speakers in normal conversation. This is confirmed in the Longman Pronunciation Dictionary, in which J C Wells which records what people say, rather than what they think they say. Your implication is that I think I and others say "clothes" but you know that we say "close'". Students "have been conditioned to believe" that there is a difference in the pronunciation of the two words because there is a difference. There may be in your pronunciation of the two words. It's not just me Fine.
I hope to have nothing more to say about "clothes" and "close".
Retired English Teacher