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    #1

    To Ask or To Ask to Ask

    Dear Teachers.

    I would like to know how native speakers of English interpret a description given below. Please let me hear your opinions.

    A asked Z to help him.
    Then A asked B to do the same.

    What did A ask B?

    1. A asked B to help A.
    2. A asked B to ask Z to help A.
    3. A asked B to ask Z to help B.
    Or any other ones?
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    Re: To Ask or To Ask to Ask

    I don't understand your question.

    Peter has truck. Mary needs to move. Sam is friends with Peter. Mary knows Peter, but not as well as Sam does.

    Mary asked Sam if he would ask Peter to help her pick up her new couch.

    Alice is the boss. She knows that Bette has skills that will help Carla do a project. She will be out of the office, but she is with Darla right now. Alice asked Darla to ask Bette to help Carla.

    Are those what you mean?
    I'm not a teacher, but I write for a living. Please don't ask me about 2nd conditionals, but I'm a safe bet for what reads well in (American) English.

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    Re: To Ask or To Ask to Ask

    1.

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    Re: To Ask or To Ask to Ask

    Quote Originally Posted by Barb_D View Post
    I don't understand your question.
    I am sorry. Now I try to be more specific.
    When you read two sentences given below, what do you think "to do the same" means?

    A asked Z to help him.
    Then A asked B to do the same.

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    #5

    Re: To Ask or To Ask to Ask

    Quote Originally Posted by SoothingDave View Post
    1.
    Thank you for your opinion, SoothingDave.
    I myself feel it is 1; however, if Z stands for Zeus, I choose 2.

    Can anybody come up with some context that makes 3 natural? Or is it inherently wrong?

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    #6

    Re: To Ask or To Ask to Ask

    Yes, to do the same means that A asked B to help him.

    In sum, A asked Z and B to help him.
    I'm not a teacher, but I write for a living. Please don't ask me about 2nd conditionals, but I'm a safe bet for what reads well in (American) English.

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    #7

    Re: To Ask or To Ask to Ask

    Quote Originally Posted by Barb_D View Post
    Yes, to do the same means that A asked B to help him.

    In sum, A asked Z and B to help him.
    Thank you for your reply.

    How about this?
    Al asked the god Zeus to help him.
    Then Al asked Barbara to do the same.

    I would really appreciate your imput, Barb_D, if by any chance, you are still reading this thread.

    Best wishes,


    AlJapone

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    #8

    Re: To Ask or To Ask to Ask

    Quote Originally Posted by AlJapone View Post
    Thank you for your reply.

    How about this?
    Al asked the god Zeus to help him.
    Then Al asked Barbara to do the same.

    I would really appreciate your imput, Barb_D, if by any chance, you are still reading this thread.

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    AlJapone
    Al asked Zeus to help him, then (perhaps thinking that she was more powerful than Zeus) he asked Barbara to help him too.

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    Re: To Ask or To Ask to Ask

    I'm powering up my lightning bolts while I type this.
    I'm not a teacher, but I write for a living. Please don't ask me about 2nd conditionals, but I'm a safe bet for what reads well in (American) English.

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    #10

    Re: To Ask or To Ask to Ask

    Quote Originally Posted by Barb_D View Post
    I'm powering up my lightning bolts while I type this.
    O! Please, Barb_D, allow this poor mortal to beg humbly your pardon.

    Anyway, it looks like it is high time that I stopped sticking to my original idea, that is, my example could be interpreted in three ways.

    To tell the truth, the reason I created this thread is that I had read a similar sentence by a native speaker with "to do the same" used in the 3rd meaning; it struck me really weird. But it was between two persons knowing compeletely what they were talking about.
    So, it might have been an irregular case.

    Thank you very much, Barb_D.
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    AlJapone

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