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    #1

    "will" or no "will"

    Dear teachers.
    Which one of these is better to say to my friend when I see off my friends?
    1. I hope you come to Japan again.
    2. I hope you will come to Japan again.
    I would like an explanation of how these are different from each other.
    Also, if I have any mistakes or strange expression in this thread, I would like you to tell me.
    Thank you.
    Last edited by BJI-World_Peace; 27-Jan-2011 at 16:23.

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    Re: "will" or no "will"

    They'e effectively equivalent in most contexts. In another thread I was gently (but politely, of course) slapped down for suggesting that there might be a detectable difference.

    A general wish for the future needs only the present tense. But there's a case for using a will-future when there's a specific time in mind:

    A: I'm thinking of stopping over in Japan when I fly back from Sydney to London this summer.
    B Oh, I hope you will come.

    But the present is OK there too, and B could add emphasis by using 'do' instead of 'will'.

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    Last edited by BobK; 18-Jan-2011 at 21:32. Reason: Fixed typo

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    Re: "will" or no "will"

    ***Not a teacher***

    In another thread I was gently (but politely, of course-)) slapped down for suggesting that there might be a detectable difference.
    At the risk of also being subject to a slapping, I agree that there is a detectable difference between the two in this context.

    'I hope you come to Japan again' seems a slightly more vague wish to me than 'I hope you will come to Japan again'. The latter feels more authoritative, and certain.

    Having said that, I think the difference is slight and the same sentiment could probably be expressed in speech using the first example by appropriate use of pitch, intonation and non-verbal signals.

    Ade

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    Re: "will" or no "will"

    Quote Originally Posted by azcl View Post
    At the risk of also being subject to a slapping...
    SLAP

    Actually, I sometimes imagine I feel a difference, but it's hard to put my finger on it. When I have discussed this with colleagues, some have felt a difference - but it's not the same difference as mine.

    I came to the conclusion that the only safe thing to tell my students was that there was no significant difference.

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    Re: "will" or no "will"

    ***Not a teacher***

    SLAP
    Ouch!

    Fair point. As I was only basing what I said on a gut feeling, rather than having any grammatical bible to quote on the matter, I don't really have a leg to stand on. I was making the erroneous assumption that all other native speakers would have the same 'feeling' as I do about this. Clearly I was wrong

    Thanks very much for your post.

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    Re: "will" or no "will"

    Quote Originally Posted by BJI-World_Peace View Post
    Dear thachers.
    Which one of these is better to say to my friend when I see of my friends?
    1. I hope you come to Japan again.
    2. I hope you will come to Japan again.
    I would like an explanation of how these are different from each other.
    Also, if I have any mistakes or strange expression in this thread, I would like you to tell me.
    Thank you.

    ***** NOT A TEACHER *****


    World Peace,


    (1) I, too, want to know the answer. So I really learned a lot from the

    other posters.

    (2) I also googled and found an interesting opinion from a language

    professional named Alan.

    (3) IF I understood Alan's words, maybe (maybe) the difference is

    something like this:

    I hope that you come to Japan again. = Alan says this kind of

    sentence is "more of a wish than a [real] hope."

    I hope that you will come to Japan again. = Alan says that this

    kind of sentence is "more [of] a hope about [a] future result."

    I do not know how to link. If you wish to read Alan's explanation,

    google "Hope + correct tense english-test.net."


    ***** NOT A TEACHER *****


    P.S. These two examples are only my opinion:

    I hope that country X becomes a democracy.

    = Only a wish for something that might happen someday.

    I hope that country X will become a democracy.

    = A real hope. Maybe events are happening now in

    country X that give me this hope.

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    Re: "will" or no "will"

    Thanks for the link, Parser.

    Alan's words sound authoritative, but I think he is just giving his opinion dressed up as a statement of fact.

    Interestingly, he seems to agree with azcl, so there may be something in it, but any difference is pretty small. And that's my opinion.

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