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    #1

    it is

    Can one say:

    a. That move is the sort that is a crime to watch on the small screen.
    b. That move is the sort that it is a crime to watch on the small screen.

    c. It is a drink that is crime to drink alone.
    d. It is a drink that it is crime to drink alone.

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    #2

    Re: it is

    I assume you mean 'movie'.

    None of those sentences make much sense.

    Rover

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    #3

    Re: it is

    Quote Originally Posted by azz View Post
    Can one say:

    a. That move is the sort that is a crime to watch on the small screen.
    b. That move is the sort that it is a crime to watch on the small screen.
    What would be a sensible substitute?

    1- That movie is the sort you shouldn't watch on the small screen.

    What about this?:

    2- That movie is the sort it is a pity if you watch on the small screen.

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    #4

    Re: it is

    'That film really needs to be seen on a cinema screen.'

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    #5

    Re: it is

    Quote Originally Posted by Rover_KE View Post
    None of those sentences make much sense
    I think they do. Whether they are grammatical is another question.

    1. It is a crime to watch that sort of movie on the small screen.
    2. That sort of movie is the sort that it is a crime to watch on the small screen
    3. That movie is (of) the sort that it is a crime to watch on the small screen.
    4. That movie is the sort that is a crime to watch on the small screen.

    #1 is no problem.

    I have problems with #2, #3 and #4. I cannot think at the moment how they can be considered acceptable, but I am sure that I have heard them. I even think it's possible I might say them.

    I look forward to reading the views of others.
    Last edited by 5jj; 29-Jan-2011 at 16:19. Reason: typo

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    #6

    Re: it is

    Quote Originally Posted by fivejedjon View Post
    I think they do. ...
    I agree; the exaggeration doesn't bother me.
    Quote Originally Posted by Rover_KE View Post
    'That film really needs to be seen on a cinema screen.'

    Rover
    However, I prefer this. Recently 'it needs to be seen' has been converted to 'it is a must-see' - but this is pretty colloquial. And the same trick can be done with other verbs: a must-visit, 'a must-have'...

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    #7

    Re: it is

    fivejedjon said: I even think it's possible I might say them.

    I think it's possible I might even do them, that is drink that drink alone full knowing it's a crime/sin/tragedy.

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    #8

    Re: it is

    Quote Originally Posted by JMurray View Post
    I think it's possible I might even do them, that is drink that drink alone full knowing it's a crime/sin/tragedy.
    But would you say:

    That drink is the sort that is a crime/sin/tragedy to drink alone......?

    Ignoring for the moment that there may be better ways to say it, is that construction acceptable?

    That's the same construction as Khosro's. Rover doesn't like it; I think it's acceptable; Bob agrees with me. What's your view?

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    #9

    Re: it is

    Quote Originally Posted by fivejedjon View Post
    I think they do. Whether they are grammatical is another question.

    1. It is a crime to watch that sort of movie on the small screen.
    2. That sort of movie is the sort that it is a crime to watch on the small screen
    3. That movie is (of) the sort that it is a crime to watch on the small screen.
    4. That movie is the sort that is a crime to watch on the small screen.

    #1 is no problem.
    I think this is right:
    "That movie is the sort of which it is a crime to watch on the small screen."

    #4 is wrong because 'a sort/type of movie' can't be 'a crime to watch on TV'.
    "It is a crime to watch X." Yes; *"X is a crime to watch." No.
    I don't like 2 or 3 either, grammatically.

    Of course, Rover's sentence is fine, but it doesn't really address the grammatical issue of the OP.

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    #10

    Re: it is

    Quote Originally Posted by Raymott View Post
    I think this is right:
    "That movie is the sort of which it is a crime to watch on the small screen."
    Obviously Ramott's sentence is a conversion of the sentence no.1 of Fivejedjon and "of" changes it's place. I guess the lesson is that in such cases "of" ("of which") should not be omited.

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