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    trip to Africa

    Dear teachers...

    Could you help me understand the difference, if any, between 'that' and 'which' in this sentence?

    I arrived from a trip to Africa, __that/which_ provided me with all kinds of fresh evidence of the importance of politics.

    I believe both work there.

    Thanks.

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    Re: trip to Africa

    The comma makes this a non-defining relative clause, in which only which is possible.

    Without a comma, it becomes a non-defining clause, in which which can be, and often is, replaced by that with no change in meaning.

    That can also replace who in defining relative clauses.

    I had tea with the friend who/that worked with me in china.
    I had tea with my friend, who that worked with me in China.

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    Re: trip to Africa

    Quote Originally Posted by Offroad View Post
    Dear teachers...

    Could you help me understand the difference, if any, between 'that' and 'which' in this sentence?

    I arrived from a trip to Africa, __that/which_ provided me with all kinds of fresh evidence of the importance of politics.

    I believe both work there.

    Thanks.
    I think you can use either, but I would use the past perfect there "had provided".

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    Re: trip to Africa

    Oops I didn't notice the comma.

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    Re: trip to Africa

    Quote Originally Posted by bhaisahab View Post
    I think you can use either, but I would use the past perfect there "had provided".
    I am not sure I follow:

    I arrived from a trip to Africa that/which had provided me with all kinds of fresh evidence of the importance of politics.
    I arrived from a trip to Africa that/which provided me with all kinds of fresh evidence of the importance of politics.

    Thanks

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    Re: trip to Africa

    Quote Originally Posted by Offroad View Post
    1. I arrived from a trip to Africa that/which had provided me with all kinds of fresh evidence of the importance of politics.
    2. I arrived from a trip to Africa that/which provided me with all kinds of fresh evidence of the importance of politics.
    Bhaisahab would use a past perfect, as in #1, which makes it crystal clear that the trip providing fresh evidence took place before the arrival.

    I think the context makes it clear, and that the past simple in #2 is sufficient.

    I am still reasonably happy with my opinion, but if I now had to choose between the two versions, I would probably go for bhaisa's.
    Last edited by 5jj; 05-Feb-2011 at 08:16. Reason: typo

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