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    Pronunciation of /ŋ/ and "of".

    1) In words ending with "ng" (e.g. evening, verb+ing) "ng" is pronounced as /ŋ/, but I can't make this sound, so can it be pronounced as /n/? Is it a mistake to pronounce /g/ in the end of such words?

    2) How do you pronounce the word "of"?

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    Re: Pronunciation of /ŋ/ and "of".

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNewOne View Post
    1) In words ending with "ng" (e.g. evening, verb+ing) "ng" is pronounced as /ŋ/, but I can't make this sound, so can it be pronounced as /n/? Is it a mistake to pronounce /g/ in the end of such words?

    2) How do you pronounce the word "of"?

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    1)According to Wiktionary, that sounds exists in Russian too!

    Velar nasal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    функция [ˈfuŋkt͡sɨjə]

    In fact it exists in a lot of languages, it's just that a lot of people don't realize it (IMO).

    2) "of" is always /əv/ or /ə/ (depending on the word it precedes) when unstressed and /ʌv/ or /ɑv/ when stressed.

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    Re: Pronunciation of /ŋ/ and "of".

    The problem may be not pronouncing the sound /g/. In Russian /ŋ/ is always followed by /g/ or /k/, as in my language. It was difficult for me too.

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    Re: Pronunciation of /ŋ/ and "of".

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    I know that this sound exists in Asian languages, but I never thought that [ˈfuŋkt͡sɨjə] had this sound (I thought that it was just /n/), so it turns out that I can make this sound? I thought that /ŋ/ was more nasal than [ˈfuŋkt͡sɨjə].
    Does "of" always have /v/ in the end? Can it be /əf/?

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    How did you improve your /ŋ/?

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    Re: Pronunciation of /ŋ/ and "of".

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNewOne View Post
    thatone
    I know that this sound exists in Asian languages, but I never thought that [ˈfuŋkt͡sɨjə] had this sound (I thought that it was just /n/), so it turns out that I can make this sound? I thought that /ŋ/ was more nasal than [ˈfuŋkt͡sɨjə].
    /ŋ/ and /n/ are both nasal. The difference is in the placement of your tongue.

    When you pronounce /ŋ/, you touch your soft palate with the back of your tongue-- (more or less) the same place that you touch when you pronounce /g/. (That's why they are both velar consonants.)

    When you pronounce /n/ , you touch your alveolar ridge with the tip of your tongue.
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    How did you improve your /ŋ/?
    My problem was that I often pronounced the /g/ sound after /ŋ/, even when it shouldn't be there. I practiced by uttering ŋŋŋŋŋŋŋŋ and trying not to do the plosive at the end.
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    Re: Pronunciation of /ŋ/ and "of".

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNewOne View Post
    Does "of" always have /v/ in the end? Can it be /əf/?
    It's always with a /v/.

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    Re: Pronunciation of /ŋ/ and "of".

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    My problem was that I often pronounced the /g/ sound after /ŋ/, even when it shouldn't be there. I practiced by uttering ŋŋŋŋŋŋŋŋ and trying not to do the plosive at the end.
    I don't have this "g" problem, I think I just pronounce /ŋ/ not so nasal as it should be, I guess it's closer to /n/. BTW in the word "king" pronounced by a native speaker I hear the slight "g" sound.
    Why do people replace "g" with ' ? Like comin' instead of coming.
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    Re: Pronunciation of /ŋ/ and "of".

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNewOne View Post
    BTW in the word "king" pronounced by a native speaker I hear the slight "g" sound.
    A /g/ is pronounced and heard in some dialects, but not in Standard English. You may think you hear it, but it isn't there,

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    Re: Pronunciation of /ŋ/ and "of".

    Quote Originally Posted by thatone View Post
    It's always with a /v/.
    'Of' does indeed always end with a /v/ sound. However, when followed by an unvoiced consonant, the /v/ may become slightly devoiced, bringing it closer to /f/. Try to listen for this in 'of course', 'a pinch of salt'.

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    Re: Pronunciation of /ŋ/ and "of".

    Quote Originally Posted by fivejedjon View Post
    'Of' does indeed always end with a /v/ sound. However, when followed by an unvoiced consonant, the /v/ may become slightly devoiced, bringing it closer to /f/. Try to listen for this in 'of course', 'a pinch of salt'.
    But isn't that a feature of /v/ in general though? Like in /hftə/.
    Plus in "a pinch of salt" of can be reduced to /ə/.

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