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    the + past participle

    1-They saw him carrying away the murdered.

    Can we be sure here that there is more than one murder victim?

    2-He was consoling the defeated.

    Can we be sure here that there is more than one person who has been defeated?

    3-He was consoling the sad.
    Can we be sure here that there is more than one person who is sad?
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    Re: the + past participle

    Quote Originally Posted by navi tasan View Post
    1-They saw him carrying away the murdered.

    Can we be sure here that there is more than one murder victim?

    2-He was consoling the defeated.

    Can we be sure here that there is more than one person who has been defeated?

    3-He was consoling the sad.
    Can we be sure here that there is more than one person who is sad?
    Yes.
    ps. 'sad' is an adjective.

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    Re: the + past participle

    While I have no problem with the second and third, I can't make the first sound natural.

    Does it sound so to you, 5jj?
    I'm not a teacher, but I write for a living. Please don't ask me about 2nd conditionals, but I'm a safe bet for what reads well in (American) English.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barb_D View Post
    While I have no problem with the second and third, I can't make the first sound natural.

    Does it sound so to you, 5jj?
    I agree that it sounds a bit odd, but it is correct.

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    Re: the + past participle

    Actually, they all sound a little odd to me, the first most of all. But, as bhai says, they are correct, so I can't object to them, I cannot imagine myself saying or writing them.

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    #6

    Re: the + past participle

    I am not a teacher.

    They are technically right, but normally we use the generic noun that way more, well, generically. A good Christian is supposed to visit the sick. The Dead Kennedys wanted us to "Kill the Poor". The meek shall inherit the earth. In your sentences, the generic refers to one specific group described by the adjective. That sounds rather weird to me except in certain cases. We can be tending the wounded, for example, after a battle, but we can't be consoling the defeated so much. To my ear.

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