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    Wiđ or wiθ. Which one is more common?

    I've got myself used to using "with" as wiθ but on tv or the internet I hear it mostly as wiđ. According to some dictionaries that I've consulted to, only the version with the voiceless th is correct. So I wonder if it is a BrE/AE thing or it changes from one person to other. I particularly welcome the answers of the members who are from different English-speaking countries, although it is not a must.

    Thanks for your answers in advance.

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    Re: Wiđ or wiθ. Which one is more common?

    John Wells's polls among native speakers showed:
    AmE: θ - 84%, đ - 16%;
    BrE: đ - 85%, θ - 15% (though in Scotland this rises to 82%)

    Wells, John(2008) Longman Pronunciation Dictionary (3rd edn), Harlow: PearsonLongman.

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    #3

    Re: Wiđ or wiθ. Which one is more common?

    Quote Originally Posted by fivejedjon View Post
    John Wells's polls among native speakers showed:
    AmE: θ - 84%, đ - 16%;
    BrE: đ - 85%, θ - 15% (though in Scotland this rises to 82%)

    Wells, John(2008) Longman Pronunciation Dictionary (3rd edn), Harlow: PearsonLongman.
    I couldn't have expected something more precise than this one. Thank you very much.

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    Re: Wiđ or wiθ. Which one is more common?

    Quote Originally Posted by euncu View Post
    I couldn't have expected something more precise than this one. Thank you very much.
    That sort of information, very useful at times, is one of the reasons I recommend that book - 'Longman Pronouncing Dictionary' by J C Wells

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    Re: Wiđ or wiθ. Which one is more common?

    Quote Originally Posted by fivejedjon View Post
    John Wells's polls among native speakers showed:
    AmE: θ - 84%, đ - 16%;
    BrE: đ - 85%, θ - 15% (though in Scotland this rises to 82%)

    Wells, John(2008) Longman Pronunciation Dictionary (3rd edn), Harlow: PearsonLongman.
    ...And what (if anything) does he say about 'without' and 'forthwith'/'withstand'/'notwithstanding? (Personally, I'd have difficulty saying /θ/ in the first or /đ/ in any of the others.)

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    Re: Wiđ or wiθ. Which one is more common?

    Quote Originally Posted by BobK View Post
    ...And what (if anything) does he say about 'without' and 'forthwith'/'withstand'/'notwithstanding? (Personally, I'd have difficulty saying /θ/ in the first or /đ/ in any of the others.)
    Buy your own copy!............

    He doesn't give poll figures, but gives /đ/ as the first, /θ/ as the second in withal, withdraw, withhold, within, without, withstand, and notwithstanding; He reverses the order for the second th in forthwith. He makes no mention of AmE for any of these.

    Roach et al give both for with, noting 'The pronunciation with θ is most frequently found when followed by a voiceless consonant (e.g. 'with care)'.

    They give: withal (đ), within, without (đ, BrE, đ,θ, AmE), withdraw, withhold (đ,θ), withstand (đ,θ, BrE; θ,đ, AmE), notwithstanding, forthwith (θ,đ)

    Roach, Peter, Hartman, James & Setter, Jane (2003 edn*) Cambridge English Pronouncing Dictionary, Cambridge: CUP
    *This edition is the 16th edition of Daniel Jones's English Pronouncing Dictionary, the second to be edited by Roach et al.

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    Re: Wiđ or wiθ. Which one is more common?

    I don't think I ever heard wi[θ]out!

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    Re: Wiđ or wiθ. Which one is more common?

    Quote Originally Posted by birdeen's call View Post
    I don't think I ever heard wi[θ]out!
    I don't think I have, but it's always possible that some speakers have said 'wi[θ]out', and I have assumed that I have heard 'wi[đ]out'.

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    Re: Wiđ or wiθ. Which one is more common?

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    Buy your own copy!]
    Thanks. It's on the list!

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