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    ever+present perfect progressive never+present perfest

    "Have you ever been hiking in the mountains?" We may use the present perfect progressive with 'ever'.

    "I've never hiked in the mountains! not "I've never been hiking in the mountains." Correct?

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    How have you come to such a conclusion? I am afraid it isn't right. I found many examples of "I have never been hiking" and two examples of "I have never been hiking in the mountains" and I guess they were from native speakers.

    Furthermore, I still don't consider "hiking" here as the present participle of a present perfect continuous tense structure. I think of it as a present perfect structure. I remember I put a comment on a similar sentence in one of your previous threads. There was also a discussion about "been" between engee, fivejedjon and others but I am not sure if they have discussed this point directly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Khosro View Post
    How have you come to such a conclusion? I am afraid it isn't right. I found many examples of "I have never been hiking" and two examples of "I have never been hiking in the mountains" and I guess they were from native speakers.

    Furthermore, I still don't consider "hiking" here as the present participle of a present perfect continuous tense structure. I think of it as a present perfect structure. I remember I put a comment on a similar sentence in one of your previous threads. There was also a discussion about "been" between engee, fivejedjon and others but I am not sure if they have discussed this point directly.
    That's why I put the question mark. I thought I might use it but wasn't sure. Indeed we were talking about the present perfect progressive. I guess we mainly refered to the use of "been" with "ever". I would be appreciative if you commented on the following one as well.

    "How many times a week have you been taking German classes?"


    "I'm a bit adventurous, so I said why not, even though I'd never been hiking , let alone really been to the wilderness before. Yes, I'd been car camping but a long... long time ago and I wouldn't call those populated camp grounds the wilderness."

    I pulled it up from the blog and it got me wondering why the past perfect progressive is used here not the present perfect progressive?
    Last edited by ostap77; 04-Mar-2011 at 13:47.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ostap77 View Post
    "How many times a week have you been talking German classes?"
    That's acceptable.

    "I'm a bit adventurous, so I said why not, even though I'd never been hiking , let alone really been to the wilderness before. Yes, I'd been car camping but a long... long time ago and I wouldn't call those populated camp grounds the wilderness."

    I pulled it up from the blog and it got me wondering why the past perfect progressive is used here not the present perfect progressive?
    Because the time period ends at the past time the speaker is talking about, not the present moment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ostap77 View Post
    That's why I put the question mark. I thought I might use it but wasn't sure. Indid we were talking about the present perfect progressive. I guess we mainly refered to the use of "been" with "ever". I would be appreciative if you commented on the following one as well.

    "How many times a week have you been talking German classes?"


    "I'm a bit adventurous, so I said why not, even though I'd never been hiking , let alone really been to the wilderness before. Yes, I'd been car camping but a long... long time ago and I wouldn't call those populated camp grounds the wilderness."

    I pulled it up from the blog and it got me wondering why the past perfect progressive is used here not the present perfect progressive?
    Considering "I'd been car camping":
    Someone invited him to hiking. Some time in the past. Before that time in the past "he had been car camping".
    Since he adds "but a long ... long time ago" again I don't think of it as a past perfect continuous, but a past perfect.
    I am sure about why it should be past perfect and not present perfect but not about it's progressive aspect as an inherent part of "past perfect continuous".

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    In my last post I should have mentioned that it is not a continuous form.

    If we wish to say that a person is not here because he left sometime ago for a camping holiday, we can say, "he has gone camping".

    If we wish to say that camping holidays are part of his life experience, we can say, "he has been camping".

    Neither of these is a continuous form. The word 'camping' is not the main verb.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fivejedjon View Post
    In my last post I should have mentioned that it is not a continuous form.

    If we wish to say that a person is not here because he left sometime ago for a camping holiday, we can say, "he has gone camping".

    If we wish to say that camping holidays are part of his life experience, we can say, "he has been camping".

    Neither of these is a continuous form. The word 'camping' is not the main verb.
    Getting back to what's already been said, when we talk about past experience, which one is liklier to be uttered "I've never smoked'' or ''I've never been moking."?
    Last edited by ostap77; 04-Mar-2011 at 15:47.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ostap77 View Post
    Getting back to what's already been said, when we talk about about past experience, which one is liklier to be uttered "I've never smoked'' or ''I've never been moking."?
    The first one I think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Khosro View Post
    I have never been smoking while having a shower.
    That sounds most unnatural to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fivejedjon View Post
    That sounds most unnatural to me.
    I took it back. Still I don't know why we need the present participle "smoking" in such cases! It's okay with "been camping" and some other been + present participle but why "been smoking" I have no Idea!

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