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    confusion to identify sub

    good morning sir,

    it is satya. sir i have a confusion to identifying subject

    i have sentences.

    (1) i have washing machine to wash cloths . here is two subject 1.machine 2. I , which sub is doer i have a great confusion. because both wash the cloths.

    but both sub is possible .

    i can wash in washing machine so doer is i and washing machine can also wash so doer is washing machine. there are two doer which doer is correct is cofusionable
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    Re: confusion to identify sub

    really it is ambiguous

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    #3

    Re: confusion to identify sub

    How do you see it as ambiguous?

    There is one grammatical subject: I.
    There is an object: washing machine.

    I have a washing machine.

    Can you explain where your question lies?

    Also, please use proper capitalization. Because this is an English language forum, we do ask people to do the best they can in terms of proper punctuation, spelling, capitalization, etc. Thank you.
    Last edited by Barb_D; 29-Mar-2011 at 18:49.
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    Re: confusion to identify sub

    Quote Originally Posted by Barb_D View Post
    How do you see it as ambiguous?

    There is one grammatical subject: I.
    There is an object: washing machine.

    I have a washing machine.

    Can you explain where your question lies?

    I believe she is confusing grammatical category of subject with the idea of an agent (someone who can do some action). So it appears that both "I" and "the washing machine" are "doers" i.e. we can both wash clothes.

    I will leave the actual explanation for the OP to better minds here.

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    Re: confusion to identify sub

    Quote Originally Posted by Barb_D View Post
    How do you see it as ambiguous?

    There is one grammatical subject: I.
    There is an object: washing machine.

    I have a washing machine.

    Can you explain where your question lies?

    Also, please use proper capitalization. Because this is an English language forum, we do ask people to do the best they can in terms of proper punctuation, spelling, capitalization, etc. Thank you.
    Suppose ,

    1 I have a such charger to charge my cell.

    There are two sentence possible.

    # I have a such charger which I will charge my cell with.

    # I have a such charger which will charge my cell.


    Here dual subject are possible of verb(charge).so, I have a confusion that which will charge this cell -- I or Charger.

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    #6

    Re: confusion to identify sub

    I have a charger, which I will charge my cell-phone with.
    I have a charger with which I will charge my cell-phone.


    There is no possibility of confusion.

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    Re: confusion to identify sub

    The grammatical subject is I.
    I have a charger.
    I will charge my cell phone.

    Using a tool to do something does not make the tool the grammatical subject of the sentence.

    I will use a hand mixer to beat the eggs. The mixer is not the subject. I use a mixer. I beat the eggs.
    I used binoculars to watch the match. The binoculars are not the subject. I watched the match.
    Last edited by Barb_D; 30-Mar-2011 at 13:40.
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    #8

    Re: confusion to identify sub

    OK but sometime tools as subject is used

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    #9

    Re: confusion to identify sub

    Sometimes, yes, but not in your sentences!
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    Re: confusion to identify sub

    "Subject" and "Verb (action)" are grammatical things. They don't need to correspond to reality. The subject is whatever is doing the action in the sentence.

    I can say "The table sings". There is no such thing in reality but grammatically "table" is the subject and "sings" is the verb.

    I wash clothes. = The verb is "wash"; who/what is doing the washing in this sentence? I.
    The washing machine washes clothes. = who/what is doing the washing here? The washing machine.

    I own a washing machine that washes clothes. = the verb is own; who is doing the owning? I

    except here the sentence has two parts (clauses):
    main clause: I own a washing machine
    and relative clause "that washes clothes"
    Wash is not the verb of the sentence because it's not the verb of the main clause. The sentence is about me owning the washing machine.

    Similarly:

    I have a charger to charge my cell.

    The action in this sentence is "having", not "charging". I am doing the having.
    Last edited by freezeframe; 31-Mar-2011 at 05:18. Reason: answered second example

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