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    connecting sative passive with before

    Hi,

    I had always this confusion on connecting stative passives with before.Because of this my fluency is getting hurt. When you are talking on some thing, some times your point of talking will be based on the actions and some times based on states of the objects.When you are making individual statements either with reference to action or with reference to state i don't have any problem.For example consider the below statements

    A:Files are moved by Ram(When you are observing the files, based on the information on who accessed the file last, this statement is correct)

    B:Files were moved by Ram(When you are clearly referring the past action of movement, this statement is also correct)

    My confusion comes when i am connecting two such statements with conjunction before.

    C:Before the files were moved into this itself these things were verified.(This is also correct.Here you are referring two actions in the past and making the statement.I can visualize the timing and actions involved in the statement.Mental picture is perfect.)

    My main confusion is in the following statement

    D:Before this files are moved into this itself seems like these are all verified (when i am seeing the files in the folder, and observing the information about the files, then making the statement with reference to the state of the files(i.e the files in the moved state) i feel like this statement is also correct.My mental picture in that context make me feel that this sentence is correct.But i am not able to confidently say whether it is correct or not.Can you please clarify me whether i am correct or not.)
    Last edited by rapra; 30-Mar-2011 at 03:01. Reason: formatting was not proper

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    Re: connecting sative passive with before

    Hi Tdol ,

    Can you please respond for my query?

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    Re: connecting sative passive with before

    Quote Originally Posted by rapra View Post
    Hi Tdol ,Can you please respond for my query?Regards,rapra
    If you address an enquiry to one person, it may deter others from answering.

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    Re: connecting sative passive with before

    Hi fivejedjon,

    Anybody is welcome to answer it.But as there was no response since yesterday, i specifically addressed tdol as i had got some responses from him some long time back for some other questions.

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    Re: connecting sative passive with before

    Quote Originally Posted by rapra View Post
    Hi Tdol ,

    Can you please respond to my query?

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    Maybe Tdol doesn't understand your question.

    I certainly don't.

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    Re: connecting sative passive with before

    Before this files are moved into this itself seems like these are all verified
    This sentence is a bit of a mess. It should be these, this itself is confusing and unclear, and there's no subject before seems.

    How about this:
    Files are verified before they are moved here/into this folder, etc.
    Or
    It looks as if files are verified before they are moved here/into this folder, etc.

    You can link two passives with before.

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    Re: connecting sative passive with before

    Quote Originally Posted by fivejedjon View Post
    If you address an enquiry to one person, it may deter others from answering.
    Yes, it may, and there are so many posts coming into the forum that nobody can read them all, but all will be seen by people who are perfectly capable of answering, so personal requests ae likely to reduce your chances of getting an answer. If you don't get an answer in a couple of days, just bump the thread.
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    Re: connecting sative passive with before

    Quote Originally Posted by Tdol View Post
    This sentence is a bit of a mess. It should be these, this itself is confusing and unclear, and there's no subject before seems.

    How about this:
    Files are verified before they are moved here/into this folder, etc.
    Or
    It looks as if files are verified before they are moved here/into this folder, etc.

    You can link two passives with before.
    My main worry was with the semantics of the sentence.For clarity sake i will take up your sentence only.

    "Files are verified before they are moved here/into this folder, etc"

    What does the above sentence really mean?Can i infer it like this?Here the actions Verified and moved are done in the past itself, but still the present tense auxiliary verbs are used for the reason that here the speaker is interested in giving the information.

    May be i have not been able to explain my inference properly,but considering the point i am trying to ask and considering the confusion i have on these kind of sentences, can you please explain it in detail?

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    Re: connecting sative passive with before

    Quote Originally Posted by rapra View Post

    "Files are verified before they are moved here/into this folder, etc"

    What does the above sentence really mean?Can iI infer it like this?Here the actions Verified and moved are done in the past itself, but still the present tense auxiliary verbs are used for the reason that here the speaker is interested in giving the information.
    In the sentence as it stands, there is no question of the actions taking place in the past. The speaker is using a presnt simple passive form to describe what happens on such occasions.

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    Re: connecting sative passive with before

    Quote Originally Posted by fivejedjon View Post
    In the sentence as it stands, there is no question of the actions taking place in the past. The speaker is using a presnt simple passive form to describe what happens on such occasions.
    Then, What about my first example sentence.

    Files are moved by Ram.

    Here also it appears like it is a simple present tense sentence.But in the given context what ever i mentioned before, it tells about the action done in the past.As per the knowledge i have got through this site and through other means, simple present tense is used to describe the actions done in general and to give the resultant state of the actions done in the past.One can get in which fashion it has been used, based on the context.Am i not correct?

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