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    questions on grammar

    Which one is correct?

    1.She speaks( English perfectly/perfect English/English perfect).

    2. After an hour searching I found ( the proper place/ place proper) to lodge.

    3.The deaf ( is/are).we hope all the best for (the deaf/ deaves).

    SECOND ANGLE


    As I learned in adjective which begins with( the) especially in nationalities means plural but there are exceptions

    1.The Turks player has broken his leg. is it correct?

    for the plural if I say:

    2.The Turkish are nice people. is it correct?


    LAST ONE


    A.I object to telling them my age. why do we add -ing on the verb tell?

    B.The opportunity for both male and female.

    why don't we say:

    The opportunity is for both male and female.

    C.I am surprising that why should he shout to you awfully. is it correct?
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    Re: DISCUSSION on grammar

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    Wa! I could probably read it without my contacts.

    Quote Originally Posted by diplomacy View Post
    Which one is correct?

    1.She speaks( English perfectly/perfect English/English perfect).
    She speaks English perfectly. (adverb 'perfectly' modifies the verb 'speaks')
    She speaks perfect English. (adjective 'perfect' modifies 'English')
    She speaks English perfect.


    Quote Originally Posted by diplomacy View Post
    A.I object to telling them my age. why do we add -ing on the verb tell?
    Here, 'to' is a preposition, not part of an infinitive, so you need to use an -ing form or a noun.

    Compare:

    I hope to hear from you. ('to' is part of the infitinive)
    I object to paying for it. It should be free. ('to' is a preposition)
    I object to people trying to sell me junk. ('to' is a preposition)

    Other examples:

    I'm looking forward to hearing from you.
    I'm not used to sunbathing all day long.


    Quote Originally Posted by diplomacy View Post
    B.The opportunity for both male and female.

    why don't we say:

    The opportunity is for both male and female.

    I think there's something missing e.g. the opportunity for both male and female models OR the opportunity for both males and females . It looks a bit like a headline.

    You could say:

    [...] in October/November 2011 there is an opportunity for a dynamic and creative reporter to join the team (Source).


    Quote Originally Posted by diplomacy View Post
    C.I am surprising that why should he shout to you awfully. is it correct?
    You shout to somebody when they can't hear you, but you shout at somebody when you're angry with them.

    Perhaps you meant to say that you're surprised he shouted at her/him.

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    Re: DISCUSSION on grammar

    thank you a lot.

    I'm still waiting for the remaining questions answers.

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    Re: DISCUSSION on grammar

    What are your ideas on this instead of waiting for other people to answer? You did, after all, say it was a discussion.

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    Re: DISCUSSION on grammar

    thanks Tdol.

    I meant when the questions have been answered , I have a discussion on some confusion context and use.

    Any way I have changed the title.
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    Re: questions on grammar

    1a. She speaks English perfectly.

    • The adverb 'perfectly' modifies the verb phrase 'speaks English'. It tells us how she speaks English.


    1b. She speaks perfect English.

    • The adjective 'perfect' modifies the noun 'English'. It tells us the kind of English she speaks.

    1c. She speaks English perfect.

    • Some speakers of North American English drop the -ly on adverbs. To them, sentence 1c. is grammatical.


    2a. After an hour searching, I found the proper place to lodge.

    • 'proper place' is fine. Note, however,

    • an hour's search
    • searching for an hour

    2b. After an hour searching, I found the place proper to lodge.

    • While I understand its meaning, the phrase 'place proper' doesn't sound like Modern English to me.
    3.The deaf is... . We hope all the best for the deaf/deaves.

    • The hearing impaired are...
    • We hope all the best for the hearing impaired.



    1. The Turks player has broken his leg.

    • The Turks'/Turkish player has broker his leg.
      • Adjectives do not determine whether a verb is singular or plural. A noun does that.


    2. The Turkish are nice people. 'Turkish' is a noun in that context.



    A. I object to telling them my age. Why do we add -ing on the verb tell?

    • Object to + gerund

    B.The opportunity for both male and female. Why don't we say: The opportunity is for both male and female.

    • If it's a sentence, add "is"; if it is a phrase, omit "is":
      • Sentence: The opportunity is for both male and female.
      • Phrase: This is an opportunity for both male and female players.



    C. I am surprising that why should he shout to you awfully. is it correct?


    • It's incorrect. Try,




      • I am surprised he shouted at you so awfully / he shouted so awfully at you.





      • That he should shout at you so awfully / should shout so awfully at you surprises me.


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    Re: DISCUSSION on grammar

    thanks a lot for your superb help.

    regrading to this qoute



    1.She speaks( English perfectly/perfect English/English perfect).

    2. After an hour searching I found ( the proper place/ place proper) to lodge.

    first of all, your answers are convinced me completely.
    second, I have a book mystified me really, the explanation which I understood was:

    part no 2.
    before a noun, proper means real ,genuine after the noun it refers to the central of main part of some thing.
    I have applied the above statement on part 1 and 2 sentences.

    I don't know whether correct or not.

    in my opinion, place proper doesn't sound modern phrase.


    part 3.

    3.The deaf ( is/are).we hope all the best for (the deaf/ deaves).
    adjectives without nouns

    it applies for a group of people who are in a particular physical or social condition as the jobless, the dead, the deaf,the poor and so on.

    these expressions are normally plural

    so why do we use is instead of are.it is according to the statement the proper verb to be are not is.

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    Re: DISCUSSION on grammar

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    (1) As Key Member Soup told us, we use "are," not "is," in sentences such as:

    The hearing impaired are good employees, too. / Hearing-impaired people are demanding

    equal opportunities.

    (a) We also use "are" if we decide to make an adjective into a noun by adding

    "the" or use an adjective + noun:

    The deaf are doing all kinds of jobs./ Deaf people are asking for respect.

    P.S. In the United States, we are taught to be respectful of people's feelings.

    Some people do not like to be called "deaf." So many people prefer to use the

    term "hearing impaired." But if you use "deaf," I do not think that many people

    will be angry with you.

    On the other hand, some words are now insulting. For example, some people find it

    impossible to learn to do things that most other people can do. In past years, we called

    them "the retarded." Today that term is no longer allowed. It is very insulting and

    cruel. We now use other terms for such individuals, including "the mentally challenged."

    (2) If you have a book that tells you to use "is," then that book has accidentally

    made a mistake.

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    Re: DISCUSSION on grammar

    Quote Originally Posted by diplomacy View Post
    Regrading to this qoute the phrase 'place proper', I have a book that mystifies me, really. The explanation which I understood was this: before a noun, 'proper' means real, genuine, and after the noun it refers to the central of main part of some thing. part no 2. I have applied the above statement rule on to part 1 and 2 sentence 2a., but I don't know whether it is correct or not. In my opinion, 'place proper' doesn't sound modern phrase.
    I agree. It sounds antiquated. By the way, when placed after the noun, 'proper' means central (e.g., The outside is the place proper to politics. Source (page 482) about post-colonialism; the place proper to any office or dignity Source (1776 dictionary ).



    Quote Originally Posted by diplomacy View Post
    Part 3., adjectives without nouns, applies for to a group of people who are in a particular physical or social condition as the jobless, the dead, the deaf, the poor and so on. These expressions are normally plural. So why do we use 'is' instead of 'are'?
    We use 'are':


    The jobless are...
    The dead are...
    The deaf hearing impaired are...
    The poor are...
    The young are...
    The old are...


    The underlined words in the examples above are not adjectives. They are nouns. We call them 'substantives' (e.g., the young, the old), and as TheParser points out, they mean 'people', a plural meaning, which is why a plural verb ('are') is used.

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    Re: DISCUSSION on grammar

    Quote Originally Posted by Soup View Post
    The jobless are...
    [...]
    The old are...

    The underlined words in the examples above are not adjectives. They are nouns. We call them 'substantives' (e.g., the young, the old), and as TheParser points out, they mean 'people', a plural meaning, which is why a plural verb ('are') is used.
    Surely they are still adjectives, functioning as heads of noun phrases?

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