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    if you will

    Hi dear teachers!

    Would you please tell me the meaning of the part in bold?

    One thing that appears to be self-evident is that, once again, the controller is the core of the next Nintendo experience. The Cafe hardware itself appears to operate either as a conventional console tethered to a TV, or else as a lounge-based hub, beaming out gameplay to gamers effectively playing on handheld units with short-range links to the unit. Almost like an entirely home-based OnLive, if you will.

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    #2

    Re: if you will

    If you will allow me to make this analogy.

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    Re: if you will

    I am not a teacher nor a native speaker

    I've got this from the Oxford Advanced Learner's Dictionary, 8-th edition:

    (third person sing. pres. t. will) [ intransitive ] (only used in the simple present tense) (old-fashioned or formal)
    to want or like
    Call it what you will, it's still a problem.

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    #4

    Re: if you will

    If you will - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

    if you will

    : if you wish to call it that <a kind of preoccupation, or obsession if you will Louis Auchincloss>

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    Re: if you will

    Quote Originally Posted by AlexAD View Post
    I am not a teacher nor a native speaker

    I've got this from the Oxford Advanced Learner's Dictionary, 8-th edition:

    (third person sing. pres. t. will) [ intransitive ] (only used in the simple present tense) (old-fashioned or formal)
    to want or like
    Call it what you will, it's still a problem.
    That is not the same as "if you will".

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    #6

    Re: if you will

    I thought 'if you will' was pretty similar to 'if you like'.

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    #7

    Re: if you will

    Quote Originally Posted by Nathan Mckane View Post
    Hi dear teachers!

    Would you please tell me the meaning of the part in bold?

    One thing that appears to be self-evident is that, once again, the controller is the core of the next Nintendo experience. The Cafe hardware itself appears to operate either as a conventional console tethered to a TV, or else as a lounge-based hub, beaming out gameplay to gamers effectively playing on handheld units with short-range links to the unit. Almost like an entirely home-based OnLive, if you will.

    Thanks

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    (1) Mr. Bryan A. Garner's A Dictionary of Modern American Usage

    (which many people use as a guide) says that "if you will" =

    "If you will allow me to use the phrase."

    (a) Thus, that last sentence seems to mean:

    Almost like an entirely home-based OnLive, if you will allow me

    use the phrase "OnLive."

    (2) Here is another example that I saw in a famous American

    magazine:

    [T]he workings of history -- or, if you will, of God's providence.

    I think that it means something like:

    The workings of history -- or of God's Will, if you will allow me to say

    the words "God's Will."

    (3) It appears that even native speakers occasionally get confused

    about its correct meaning. This very day I turned on a very popular
    TV news discussion show hosted by Mr. X, a native speaker. He

    said something like:

    "The government estimates that there are now only 100 terrorists

    left in [name of a certain country], if you will."

    I believe that he used that phrase incorrectly. He probably meant

    something like:

    "The government estimates that there are now only 100 terrorists

    left in [ ], if you want to accept that number as being correct."

    (4) Maybe Mr. Garner gave us the best advice when he wrote:

    "[T]he phrase is almost always best deleted."

    In plain English: Do not use it in your writing.

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    #8

    Re: if you will

    Quote Originally Posted by TheParser View Post
    In plain English: Do not use it in your writing.
    Why not?

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    #9

    Re: if you will

    Thus, that last sentence seems to mean:

    Almost like an entirely home-based OnLive, if you will allow me

    use the phrase "OnLive."
    I disagree. The idea of a "home-based OnLive" is what he is asking permission for.

    OnLive is a system which allows games to be played over the internet.

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