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    perfect proggresive+when+present perfect

    Would this sentence be grammatically correct?

    "Have you ever been watching a soccer match when your wife has been swamped with cooking for Thanksgiving Day?"

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    Re: perfect proggresive+when+present perfect

    Quote Originally Posted by ostap77 View Post
    Would this sentence be grammatically correct?

    "Have you ever been watching a soccer match when your wife has been swamped with cooking for Thanksgiving Day?"
    It's grammatical, but I can't imagine anyone ever saying it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bhaisahab View Post
    It's grammatical, but I can't imagine anyone ever saying it.
    I wanted to ask if it's possible to use these tenses instead of past progressive and past simple corresondingly when I want to emphasize two events that happend in the past and extebd it to the present?

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    In your sentence, the activities would not extend to the present.

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    Re: perfect proggresive+when+present perfect

    Quote Originally Posted by ostap77 View Post
    Would this sentence be grammatically correct?

    "Have you ever been watching a soccer match when your wife has been swamped with cooking for Thanksgiving Day?"
    I'd call it ungrammatical. You need 'was' for the second clause.

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    Re: perfect proggresive+when+present perfect

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    I'd call it ungrammatical. You need 'was' for the second clause.
    What if a cop talks to the nanny than comes up to another officer and says ''"I just spoke with the nanny. No sign anyone's been following her when she's been out with the baby."

    I heard this on episode 8 of "The Listner"
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    Re: perfect proggresive+when+present perfect

    Quote Originally Posted by ostap77 View Post
    What if a cop talks to the nanny than comes up to another officer and says ''"I just spoke with the nanny. No sign anyone's been following her when she's been out with the baby."

    I heard this on episode 8 of "The Listener"
    It's OK.

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    Re: perfect proggresive+when+present perfect

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    What if a cop talks to the nanny than comes up to another officer and says ''"I just spoke with the nanny. No sign anyone's been following her when she's been out with the baby."

    I heard this on episode 8 of "The Listner"
    Yes, that works.

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    Re: perfect proggresive+when+present perfect

    Quote Originally Posted by Raymott View Post
    Yes, that works.
    The problem with my sentence is because it's a question? Or is it because I used a passive construction in the second part?

    "So you've been watching a soccer match when she's cooked lots of food for Thanksgiving Day."?

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    "Have you ever been watching a soccer match when she's cooked food for Thanksgiving Day?"
    Last edited by ostap77; 08-May-2011 at 10:49.

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    Re: perfect proggresive+when+present perfect

    Quote Originally Posted by ostap77 View Post
    The problem with my sentence is because it's a question? Or is it because I used a passive construction in the second part?
    I'm not sure. You want to know why I called the first example wrong and the second one right? I've changed my mind. It's not grammatically wrong. But there's a semantic problem.
    "Have you ever been watching a soccer match when your wife has been swamped with cooking for Thanksgiving Day?"
    I think it has to do with 'when' v 'while'. That is, when was she swamped with the cooking? I would say that she was swamped with cooking before you were watching the soccer match. She did not become swamped while you were watching the soccer. Her tasks were set out for her long before Thanksgiving Day. "She was swamped with cooking while you were watching soccer." and "You were watching soccer while she was swamped with cooking."
    There's also the complication of whether "swamped with cooking" is an adjectival phrase or a past participial phrase. Given that she did not become swamped while you were watching soccer, it's an adjectival phrase.
    So, from my perspective, the red sentence means something like, "Have you ever been watching soccer when someone came along and swamped your wife with cooking?" As bhaisahab said, it's grammatical, but its not usually what a person would mean.

    Your second example:
    What if a cop talks to the nanny than comes up to another officer and says ''"I just spoke with the nanny. No sign anyone's been following her when she's been out with the baby."
    In this one, 'when' has to mean 'while'. If it didn't, it would read, "... when she's gone out with the baby."

    The problem with determining whether unlikely sentences are grammatical or not depends to some extent on the meaning. The red sentence is grammatical if it means what it says, but not if it means what you probably think it says. If you give an argument that it's either grammatical or it isn't, then I change my mind. It is grammatical.


    "So you've been watching a soccer match when she's cooked lots of food for Thanksgiving Day."?

    OR

    "Have you ever been watching a soccer match when she's cooked food for Thanksgiving Day?"
    You can't use "when she's cooked". What I said was, "You need 'was'."
    "when she was cooking".
    But a sentence like this with, "Have you ever been doing something ... when ..." implies that you are doing something continuously when something happened at a fixed point in time.
    By saying it wasn't grammatical, I meant you shouldn't model a sentence on it because it will not be what you want.

    You probably mean something like, "Have you ever sat down and watched a soccer match while your wife has been swamped with cooking?" This is a template you can use.


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