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    #1

    transportation of different types?

    Can we replace the underlined by the following?

    ex)Andrew's family use different types of transportation. His mother goes to work by bus, while his father by train, and his sister by subway....

    1)transportation of different types : Does it mean each family member tries the same number of transportation, making the meaning quite different from the example?
    2)different kinds of transportations : I don't think you can pluralize transportation, right?

    ps)If you should give a point to 1,2, how much will you give?(out of 10 supposing ex's is 10)
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    #2

    Re: transportation of different types?

    Hi keannu

    As a NES, but not a teacher:

    1. "Andrew's family use transportation of different types." works for me and means the same as your example.

    You can't say: "the same number of transportation". You might have said: "the same number of types of transportation", but this would be inappropriate in your case, as each family member only used one form of transportation.

    2. "transportations" is incorrect, as you correctly believe.

    Hope this helps
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    Re: transportation of different types?

    Quote Originally Posted by Route21 View Post
    Hi keannu

    As a NES, but not a teacher:

    1. "Andrew's family use transportation of different types." works for me and means the same as your example.

    You can't say: "the same number of transportation". You might have said: "the same number of types of transportation", but this would be inappropriate in your case, as each family member only used one form of transportation.

    2. "transportations" is incorrect, as you correctly believe.

    Hope this helps
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    I can't thank you enough, but this will cause a serious problem in a student's mark in an English test as he lost all the points because of the answer 1 for the question.
    An additional question is "Andrew's family use the transportation of different types", don't we have to insert "the"?

    If switching the order works, are the following all the same?
    ex1)I like different types of cars = I like cars of different types.
    ex2)She brought many different types of handbags = She brought handbags of many different types.

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    Re: transportation of different types?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gillnetter View Post
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    What do you mean? I just asked if "the" should be inserted.
    and if a verb is focused on individual members, the verb should be plural, while if all the members do the same thing, it can be singular. I don't think "uses" makes sense here, it shoud be "use".

    "Andrew's family use the transportation of different types", don't we have to insert "the"? Try "uses"

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    Re: transportation of different types?

    Hi keannu

    As I said in my post: "As a NES, but NOT a teacher".

    Perhaps one of our English teachers could advise on the marking of the test.

    Answering your second question: No, I wouldn't have added "the" - as, for example, I would not have said: "Vegetarians don't eat the fish".

    In your last 2 examples, the first version, in each case, is somewhat easier on my NES ear. That having been said, there is a possibility of a difference in nuances between the two versions.

    If A says: "I like SUV's" and B were to say: "I like different types of cars" then I would most likely understand B to mean he prefers cars other than SUV's.

    If B had said:"I like cars of different types", to me, that could mean that he liked more than one type of car, including, say, SUV's, saloons and/or pick-ups.

    Hope this helps
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    Re: transportation of different types?

    Quote Originally Posted by Route21 View Post
    Hi keannu

    As a NES, but not a teacher:

    1. "Andrew's family use transportation of different types." works for me and means the same as your example.

    You can't say: "the same number of transportation". You might have said: "the same number of types of transportation", but this would be inappropriate in your case, as each family member only used one form of transportation.

    2. "transportations" is incorrect, as you correctly believe.

    Hope this helps
    R21
    When do you use "transportation of different types" and when do you use "different types of transportation"? What's the usage difference? I've heard the latter form a lot more than the former, but there should be some nuance or semantic difference.

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    Re: transportation of different types?

    Quote Originally Posted by Route21 View Post
    Hi keannu

    As I said in my post: "As a NES, but NOT a teacher".

    Perhaps one of our English teachers could advise on the marking of the test.

    Answering your second question: No, I wouldn't have added "the" - as, for example, I would not have said: "Vegetarians don't eat the fish".

    In your last 2 examples, the first version, in each case, is somewhat easier on my NES ear. That having been said, there is a possibility of a difference in nuances between the two versions.

    If A says: "I like SUV's" and B were to say: "I like different types of cars" then I would most likely understand B to mean he prefers cars other than SUV's.

    If B had said:"I like cars of different types", to me, that could mean that he liked more than one type of car, including, say, SUV's, saloons and/or pick-ups.

    Hope this helps
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    My student is on the verge of reverting the mark his teacher gave him as the teacher gave no point to his answer. I understand the two meanings of "different" as "diverse, various" or "other than"

    but the thing is "Andrew's family use transportation of different types" sounds like "All the family members (in common) use various types of transportation"
    and "Andrew's family use different types of transportation" sounds like "Each family member uses each different type of transportation", so it's quite confusing.

    but maybe as you said, the meaning differs depending on context, but what do you think?
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    Re: transportation of different types?

    Hi keannu

    Referring back to your original post, it should be quite clear from the follow-on sentence, that each member of the family uses a very specific mode of transport that is different from that used by the other family members.

    Context is everything!

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    Re: transportation of different types?

    Quote Originally Posted by Route21 View Post
    Hi keannu

    Referring back to your original post, it should be quite clear from the follow-on sentence, that each member of the family uses a very specific mode of transport that is different from that used by the other family members.

    Context is everything!

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    You mean it's quite evident for "transportation of different types"? Can you tell me when to use this and when to use the other? Do they use "transportation of different types" more or "different types of transportation" more?
    I need to confirm if he has to get a full point for the question.

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    Re: transportation of different types?

    Hi keannu

    As I said before, and I will repeat again, I am NOT a teacher.
    Teachers mark tests, not me, and they have their own specific rules that they have to apply to be fair to all students.

    Please do not quote any of my posts as a basis for challenging a teacher!
    They are the opinion of one particular NES only, not as definitive or in any way authoritative rulings.

    A teacher would be able to advise better on the reasons why an answer may, for academic reasons, need to be judged in a particular way. Or, there may be in a nuance that the examiners had not envisaged at the time of framing both the question and the acceptable answer.

    Regards
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