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    Double negative (?)

    Looking through this website I happened to encounter this phrase:

    "There is no one who doesn't think I am not a native speaker now..." [Source]

    I understand the meaning perfectly, but a question arises -
    Do the native speakers often use such a cumbersome way (in my opinion) of expressing simple things or does it have something to do with regional accents?

    Thanks.

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    Re: Double negative (?)

    (My question doesn't concern English.)

    I think it's interesting that you are asking this question, suprunp. Would a literal translation of this sentence to Ukrainian be something that no speaker of your language would ever say? I'm asking, because it would be perfectly good in Polish. (Especially in speech, because intonation would help the listener to understand it.)

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    Re: Double negative (?)

    Quote Originally Posted by birdeen's call View Post
    (My question doesn't concern English.)

    I think it's interesting that you are asking this question, suprunp. Would a literal translation of this sentence to Ukrainian be something that no speaker of your language would ever say? I'm asking, because it would be perfectly good in Polish. (Especially in speech, because intonation would help the listener to understand it.)
    This is partly the reason why I'm asking this particular question. A literal translation would sound correct in Ukrainian as well, but, as I'm not really used to such structures in English, I make out the meaning of such English phrases using sensory perception (as it were), whereas my brain starts to hurt sometimes when I try to comprehend them using logical thinking.

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    Re: Double negative (?)

    I think you'd hear it. As with Polish, stress and intonantion would help the listener understand in English.

    In writing, I suspect that most of us would prefer the less cumbersome:

    No one now thinks I am not ...
    Everyone now thinks I am ...
    No one doubts that I am ...

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    Re: Double negative (?)

    Quote Originally Posted by fivejedjon View Post
    I think you'd hear it. As with Polish, stress and intonantion would help the listener understand in English.

    In writing, I suspect that most of us would prefer the less cumbersome:

    No one now thinks I am not ...
    Everyone now thinks I am ...
    No one doubts that I am ...
    To me, this is almost incomprehensible, "There is no one who doesn't think I am not a native speaker now..."

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    Re: Double negative (?)

    Quote Originally Posted by suprunp View Post
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    Do the native speakers often use such a cumbersome way (in my opinion) of expressing simple things
    No, not in my experience.

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