View Poll Results: Do you consider this sentence proper English?

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    #1

    Exclamation Is "thanks to... or" right?

    Hello dear friends! I meet a grammatical trouble and I need your help.
    My friend wrote a thank-you note, in which it says:

    "Thanks to you guys, or I wouldn't get such excellent achievements."

    I asked her what "thanks to" means, she told me it means "due to or because of", and this sentence can also be written as "but for you help I wouldn't... " or "without your help I wouldn't...". And the part after "or" is subjunctive mood.
    I told her my opinion: the original sentence isn't proper English and the latter two alternatives (but for you help I wouldn't... & without your help I wouldn't...) is better. First, the first part of the sentence beginning with "thanks to" is and adverbial phrase and it can't work before the conjunction "or" which is a sign of compound sentence. Second, according to the definition of "thanks to" in Pocket Oxford Dictionary, "thanks to" means "as the result of", so logically speaking, after "as a result of", the content should be "sth nice is done" or "sth bad is not done or is avoided" in indicative mood, rather than "sth nice isn't be done" in subjunctive mood.

    I told her that I considered it "Chinglish" (Chinese-styled English) but she couldn't accept it. She's asked many good English speakers (who are Chinese) and almost all agree with her. I got confused. Am I wrong? Is that really proper English?

    Thank you and best wishes!
    Last edited by charlieten; 28-May-2011 at 03:20.

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    Re: Is "thanks to... or" right?

    Thanks to you guys, or I wouldn't get such excellent achievements.
    It's pretty bad.
    Thanks to (because of, with the help of) you guys, I get excellent results.
    You get results, not achievements.
    Thanks to you guys, I achieve excellence.
    ... Without you guys, I could never (aspire to such excellent achievements.) (achieve such excellent results.)


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    #3

    Re: Is "thanks to... or" right?

    Thank you!
    To be honest, I must admit that it's I who wrote the word "achievements" instead of the initial one to avoid unnecessary explanation for context. But I didn't expect it to be a mistake. It's my mistake.
    By the way, would you please kindly tell my why it's wrong to use "achievement" here?

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    Re: Is "thanks to... or" right?

    Could you explain to me why "achievement" isn't proper here?

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    Re: Is "thanks to... or" right?

    A result is something you get. An achievement is something you have done or aspire to do (you can't get it, although you can get it done).

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    Re: Is "thanks to... or" right?

    Quote Originally Posted by BobK View Post
    A result is something you get. An achievement is something you have done or aspire to do (you can't get it, although you can get it done).

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    Oh! Thank you very much!

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