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    Who: Is it wrong?

    Hello,

    In the following paragraph, I wonder if "who" were actually "whom":

    The BMW eventually ended up at the house in Blackburn and while Naveed spent time with another older teenage girl, who they had picked up in Burnley, Hussain went on to have sex with the second girl.
    (source: dailymail.co.uk)

    Thanks in advance.



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    Re: Who: Is it wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack_Rose View Post
    Hello,

    In the following paragraph, I wonder if "who" were actually "whom":

    The BMW eventually ended up at the house in Blackburn and while Naveed spent time with another older teenage girl, who they had picked up in Burnley, Hussain went on to have sex with the second girl.
    (source: dailymail.co.uk)

    Thanks in advance.


    It could be, but it's OK as it is.

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    Re: Who: Is it wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack_Rose View Post
    Hello,

    In the following paragraph, I wonder if "who" were actually "whom":




    The BMW eventually ended up at the house in Blackburn and while Naveed spent time with another older teenage girl, who they had picked up in Burnley, Hussain went on to have sex with the second girl.
    (source: dailymail.co.uk)




    Thanks in advance.


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    DEAR MR. ROSE:


    (1) Congratulations!!! You are 100% correct. According to

    the rules that some people try to follow, "whom" should be

    used for the object.

    (2) In your sentence, "whom" is the object of "had picked up."

    In other words, "...while X spent time with another girl, they had

    picked up whom in Burnley, Y went on to ...."

    (3) Of course, many people nowadays no longer follow the

    "whom" rule -- including many newspapers. (I think that some of the

    "better" newspapers try to follow the rule. Maybe some newspapers

    do not follow the rule because they want to be accepted by their

    readers as "ordinary newspapers for ordinary people.")

    (4) I always try to use "who" and "whom" correctly. There

    are people who ridicule us fans of "whom." They say that the

    "rule" is old-fashioned and that almost no one follows it anymore.

    I always treat such criticism with courtesy and respect -- and

    then I ignore their advice. It is impossible to please everyone

    in this world. I'm pretty certain that most university instructors

    hope that their students observe the rule.

    (a) So welcome to the "whom" fan club. I hope that you sign up

    more members.


    Respectfully yours,


    James

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    Re: Who: Is it wrong?

    Dear James,

    I am interested in your detailed explanation. Absolutely I could not wait to join the "whom" fan club.

    Would you kindly tell me if there is any difference in the usages of "who" and "whom" between British English and American English?

    Sincerely yours,

    Jack

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    Re: Who: Is it wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack_Rose View Post
    Dear James,

    I am interested in your detailed explanation. Absolutely I could not wait to join the "whom" fan club.

    Would you kindly tell me if there is any difference in the usages of "who" and "whom" between British English and American English?

    Sincerely yours,

    Jack

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    DEAR MR. ROSE:


    (1) Thank you for your kind note.

    (2) I cannot answer your question because I do not know the

    answer.

    (3) I am sure that very soon you will receive excellent answers

    from both American and British members.


    Respectfully yours,


    James

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    Re: Who: Is it wrong?

    The distinction between "who" and "whom" is not followed by a great number of American speakers.

    Using "whom" can make it appear that you are trying to show that you are superior in knowledge. I would only use it in formal writing.

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    Re: Who: Is it wrong?

    The only time "whom" tends to be used is immediately after a preposition.
    I'm not a teacher, but I write for a living. Please don't ask me about 2nd conditionals, but I'm a safe bet for what reads well in (American) English.

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    Re: Who: Is it wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by Barb_D View Post
    The only time "whom" tends to be used is immediately after a preposition.
    Do you mean we can use "who" instead of "whom" in any cases?
    Is that acceptable in English tests? (I mean only FORMAL grammar can be correct in English tests).
    I have the following sentences:
    1. Mary whom I love doesn't like rose.
    2. Mary who I love doesn't like rose.
    3. Mary the heart of whom I have won doesn't like rose.
    4. Mary whose heart I have won doesn't like rose.
    Can #2 replace #1 to express the same idea?
    Can #3 replace #4 to express the same idea?
    Is the #4 correct?
    I think it is better to use passive form here!
    Thank you so much!

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    Re: Who: Is it wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by crazYgeeK View Post
    Do you mean we can use "who" instead of "whom" in any cases? Yes.
    Is that acceptable in English tests? (I mean only FORMAL grammar can be correct in English tests). It depends on the test.
    I have the following sentences:
    1. Mary, whom I love, doesn't like rRose.
    2. Mary, who I love, doesn't like r Rose.
    3. Mary, the heart of whom I have won, doesn't like r Rose. Theoretically correct, but very unnatural.
    4. Mary, whose heart I have won, doesn't like rRose.
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    Re: Who: Is it wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheParser View Post
    (4) I always try to use "who" and "whom" correctly.
    For most native speakers of BrE today, it is correct to use 'who' all the time.
    There are people who ridicule us fans of "whom." They say that the "rule" is old-fashioned and that almost no one follows it anymore.
    I do not ridicule 'whom'-users - I am one myself - but I do accept that we are rather old-fashioned.
    [...] I'm pretty certain that most university instructors hope that their students observe the rule. Probably some might hope, but I imagine have given up expecting. Most do not use 'whom' themselves.
    It may well be that, in some examinations, the appropriate use of 'whom' is required. Teachers of examination classes should be able to to tell you.

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