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    if + present subjunctive

    I know that the structure

    if + present subjunctive

    has disappeared completely in everyday speech. (If someone knows of any dialects in which this has not happened, I will be very glad to learn.) I also know that it is used in scientific writing, particularly in mathematics, and there where older texts and sayings are cited for different reasons, or where there is a need for archaizing . I would like to know where else it is still used. Is there a significant number of people who still use it in writing? What kind of writing? I am asking, because I don't remember ever seeing it in contexts other than those which I mentioned.

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    Re: if + present subjunctive

    Quote Originally Posted by birdeen's call View Post
    if + present subjunctive

    I would like to know where else it is still used. Is there a significant number of people who still use it in writing? What kind of writing? I am asking, because I don't remember ever seeing it in contexts other than those which I mentioned.
    I would not think a significant number of British people used it. It will stun Philo to read this, but I still use it when I write formally. I suspect that other old fogeys of my generation who were educated half a century ago at dusty old public and grammar schools in the UK may do so.
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    Re: if + present subjunctive

    Quote Originally Posted by fivejedjon View Post
    It will stun Philo to read this, but
    Philo is duly stunned, - but thoroughly approves!

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    Re: if + present subjunctive

    Quote Originally Posted by birdeen's call View Post
    I know that the structure

    if + present subjunctive

    has disappeared completely in everyday speech. (If someone knows of any dialects in which this has not happened, I will be very glad to learn.) I also know that it is used in scientific writing, particularly in mathematics, and there where older texts and sayings are cited for different reasons, or where there is a need for archaizing . I would like to know where else it is still used. Is there a significant number of people who still use it in writing? What kind of writing? I am asking, because I don't remember ever seeing it in contexts other than those which I mentioned.


    ***** NOT A TEACHER *****


    Hello, Birdeen's Call:


    (1) Just to thank you for posting this question.

    (2) Before I read it yesterday, I thought that I knew the definition of

    "present subjunctive." One of the top teachers here quickly pointed

    out that I was 100% wrong.

    (3) I think that some of the learners who read your thread are

    advanced learners, and maybe they would appreciate some examples.

    (4) Thus, may I list a few sentences to give advanced learners a

    taste of older English? Of course, they should realize that ordinary

    people usually do not speak/write like this anymore.

    (5) "The gathering will be large if the weather be good."

    "If annihilation end our joys, we shall never regret the loss of them."

    "But the slight, if there be one, was unintentional."

    "If God so clothe the grass ... how much more will he clothe you?"

    "If the planet be close to the sun, its speed increases."

    (5) Where did I get these examples? Of course, from the best

    grammar book ever written (only my opinion!!!): A Grammar of the

    English Language, written by the greatest grammarian ever (only my

    opinion!!!), Professor George O. Curme.

    (6) Thanks again for forcing me to expand my knowledge of this

    magnificent language.


    Sincerely yours,


    James








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