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    Question How do you say?

    Dear teachers!
    Can we say "I win from Ali"? "I cannot win from you."

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    Re: How do you say?

    Quote Originally Posted by Innocent Fairy View Post
    Can we say "I win from Ali"? "I cannot win from you."
    Perhaps you mean:

    "I beat Ali; I can't beat you."
    "I won against Ali. I can't win against you."

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    Re: How do you say?

    NOPE...
    it will give wrong sense.

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    Re: How do you say?

    Quote Originally Posted by engr.yasir ali bhatti View Post
    NOPE...
    it will give wrong sense.
    Then please try to explain what sense you have in mind, if you want us to help.

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    Question Re: How do you say?

    Quote Originally Posted by fivejedjon View Post
    Perhaps you mean:

    "I beat Ali; I can't beat you."
    "I won against Ali. I can't win against you."
    Yes, you got my question properly. But in our language we can use it both ways i.e. using the verb WIN or LOSE with the same meaning. Can't we use that in English? Are my sentences wrong?

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    Re: How do you say?

    Quote Originally Posted by Innocent Fairy View Post
    Yes, you got my question properly.
    If I got your question properly, then I fail to see how my suggestions give the wrong sense.

    But in our language we can use it both ways i.e. using the verb WIN or LOSE with the same meaning.
    Really? So, in your language "The Confederates lost the war" and the "Confederates won the war" mean the same? That must be a little confusing.

    Can't we use that in English? Are my sentences wrong?
    You sentences are possible only in this sense:

    I win (money) from Ali (when I play [cards] with him). I can't win (money) from you."
    5

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    Re: How do you say?

    Quote Originally Posted by fivejedjon View Post
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    Thanks, Five. You've been very helpful.
    What's your real name, by the way, sir?

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    Re: How do you say?

    Quote Originally Posted by engr.yasir ali bhatti View Post
    NOPE...
    it will give wrong sense.
    Please state that you are not a teacher when you decide to contradict an experienced English teacher and native speaker from a position of very little knowledge of the language.

    Rover

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    Re: How do you say?

    Quote Originally Posted by Innocent Fairy View Post
    Thanks, Five. You've been very helpful.
    What's your real name, by the way, sir?
    Don't expect an answer to that question any time soon.

    Please note that I win from Ali would have been a better title for your thread.

    Rover

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    #10

    Re: How do you say?

    For the sake of keeping the peace, please note two things:
    1) It engr.yasir ali bhatti who said it would give the wrong sense, 5jj, and not the orignal poster, AND
    2) engr.yasir ali bhatti posted so closely in time to 5jj's post that I believe he was responding to the original poster, saying that the original sentences were incorrect, not 5jj's answer.

    That said, engr.yasir ali bhatti, please do state you are not a teacher, and if you say that something is wrong, please state what is correct.
    I'm not a teacher, but I write for a living. Please don't ask me about 2nd conditionals, but I'm a safe bet for what reads well in (American) English.

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