In a recent thread, vil offered the phrase "to pour with rain". The thread has been closed, but I feel the discussion hasn't concluded.
The native speakers expressed the opinion that "pour with rain" is not an expression and that it would not be normally used by a native speaker. Vil provided a link to a dictionary entry and the thread was closed. I would like to understand the phrase's status better. Since it's in a dictionary and Mark Davies' corpora have 44 examples of its being used, I would like to know how common it is and whether it sounds incorrect to native speakers (no one explicitly said it does).
***** NOT A TEACHER *****
Hello, Birdeen's Call:
(1) I have just read the locked thread, and I was most distressed by
the unpleasant tone I found.
(2) The Editor decided to lock it. He is the editor, and that is his
perogative. He may lock threads, delete posts, or ban members.
(3) I hope that he will allow your new thread if we all maintain a
civil tongue.
(4) I have been a member for a year and a half, and I know Vil to be
an extremely conscientious student of the language. I know that she
is genuinely interested in vocabulary.
(5) We Americans love win-win situations. That is, a situation in which
everyone wins something. We hate the word "loser." In this case,
everyone is right. There are no "losers."
(6) If Vil is reading this, I wish to say two things:
(a) Yes, "pour with rain" is
not -- NOWADAYS -- an idiomatic
phrase, as many of the posters in the locked thread said. When
we say "It poured yesterday, " we assume that it was rain that came
pouring down. I personally had never heard of "pour with rain," but --
of course -- that is no test of anything, for I have not heard about
a lot of things.
(b) But
Vil is 100% correct that for some people, especially in past
years, "pour with rain" was an acceptable expression.
(7) I googled "books" and found these examples:
rain (hard, in torrents, cats and dogs, pitchforks, pour
with rain, drizzle, spit, set in, mizzle). Source: Roget's Thesarus (the year
1911).
While Mr. Dale was riding about, it began to pour
with rain. Source:
The Children's Pic-nic [sic] and what came of Emilia (the year
1868).
... seems likely to pour
with rain. Source: The Westminster Review (the year
1834).
When we reached Qinghua University, it began to pour
with rain.
Source: Beijing Coma (written by Ma Jian and Flora Drew, published in
2009).
(8) When I first joined as a member, a top teacher said that I was
behaving like one of Dickens's characters when I professed to be
"humble." Well, I
am humble, and I feel that this particular case
of "pour with rain" is an excellent example of why
all of us should always
be very humble, patient, kind, understanding, and respectful of one
another.
Respectfully yours,
James