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    Lightbulb "As"

    "But perhaps many will not readily find this proof convincing because they are used to considering only such things as derive from external causes."

    As far as I can understand as is substituted for that in the above-mentioned sentence.

    Q: Which category should this case fall into?

    23. b. ...after such and same, as comes, through ellipsis, to act as a relative pronoun = That, who, which.

    1789 G. White Selborne xvii. (1853) 72 Such a severe stroke‥as put out one eye. 1832 Carlyle Remin. (1881) I. 8 Never shall we again hear such speech as that was.


    †19. With finite verb. Obs. and replaced by that.
    †b. such…as: of that kind…that. Obs.


    1628 Feltham Resolves i. x. Wks. 1677, 14 He that longs for Heaven with such impatience, as he will kill himself. 1671 Milton Samson 350, I gained a son, And such a son as all men hailed me happy.

    Oxford English Dictionary Second Edition.

    (Or maybe it falls into another category not specified here?)

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    Re: "As"

    Not a teacher

    In my opinion your sample sentence should say:


    "But perhaps many will not readily find this proof convincing because they are used to considering only such things as deriving from external causes."


    That being the case, "as" cannot be directly substituted by "that". To do so, some changes would be necessary:


    "But perhaps many will not readily find this proof convincing because they are used to considering only that such things derive from external causes."


    But, somehow I feel that something changes in the conversion, so, I will be waiting for an erudite comment on this.


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    Re: "As"

    [QUOTE=suprunp;762276]"But perhaps many will not readily find this proof convincing because they are used to considering only such things as derive from external causes."

    ***** NOT A TEACHER *****


    Hello, Suprunp:

    (1) Until the teachers answer, may I share something with you?

    (2) I think that you are 100% correct: sometimes after "such," you can

    use "as" as a relative pronoun.

    (a) Here are some examples from my favorite grammar book:


    Such men as he [is] are rare.

    I made such alterations as occurred to me.

    Such only who/as have been in ....

    Only such intellectual pursuits which/that/ as are pleasant.

    Tony turned his eager attention to such pleasures that/as could be
    obtained in that sociable place.


    Source: Curme, George.A Grammar of the English Language
    (Essex, Connecticut: Verbatim Books, 1983 printing).


    Sincerely,


    James

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    Re: "As"

    Quote Originally Posted by TheParser View Post
    Source: Curme, George.A Grammar of the English Language (Essex, Connecticut: Verbatim Books, 1983 printing).
    Tut, tut, James! I haven't risen to the bait recently, but to give a 1983 print date for a book that is now over 80 years old is cheating. Your version is almost certainly a reprint of Curme, George O. (1931) Syntax, Boston: Heath. Big Brother is watching you!

    ps. I'll be mean in return. I possess a first edition.

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