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    How to Pronounce a proper [ʌ]?

    Hi guys, just wondering how I can pronounce ʌ properly. As far as im concerned this vowel shouldnt sound anything like (a).

    The Americans seem to produce this vowel more faithfully than we Brits

    Check out the pronuncation of the word buck. Feel free of course to type other words with
    ʌ in. You can see quite a stark comparison sometimes. When I try to produce it properly, it still comes out something like b[a]ck. What do i need to do with my tongue etc.. to make it sound more [u] sounding?

    buck pronunciation: How to pronounce buck in English.

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    http://www.forvo.com/word/cut/#en

    http://www.forvo.com/word/must/#sv




    Thanks

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    Re: How to Pronounce a proper [ʌ]?

    If you're a native English speaker, you are entitled to pronounce it exactly as the people in your area do. No need to emulate us, particularly just for one vowel.

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    Re: How to Pronounce a proper [ʌ]?

    Quote Originally Posted by konungursvia View Post
    If you're a native English speaker, you are entitled to pronounce it exactly as the people in your area do. No need to emulate us, particularly just for one vowel.
    I'll Tell you what, I doubt he's a native speaker. Well, I think the difference between the /[ʌ/ sound as in butter and A as in caught( AmE) is the mouth position. When I say butter, I don't drop my jaw that far as I make the /ʌ/ sound. ( You simply make the sound in "hot" (/a/) with our mouth open the widest, just like you're going to dentist's and saying ahh..). I know it's pretty cool to have American/British accent but please don't force yourself if you can't make that sound correctly. ( Their pronunciation are so nice, huh?). But when I say "hut", I make the /ʌ/ sound in a more relaxed way. Keep your fingers crossed!
    Here's a video link related to that sound
    YouTube - ‪Perfect Your Pronounciation - Simple Vowels [Perfect Your English series]‬‏
    there's another link. I can't get a hold of it, though.

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    Re: How to Pronounce a proper [ʌ]?

    Quote Originally Posted by LordJenkins View Post
    The Americans seem to produce this vowel more faithfully than we Brits
    I don't know what you mean by that. Except for people with some form of speech defect, either from birth or as a result of injury, every native speaker produces a 'proper' version of /ʌ/ for their particular dialect. Trying to change one phoneme and not the others will produce an unnatural dialect.
    Quote Originally Posted by DontBanMe View Post
    I'll Tell you what, I doubt he's a native speaker.
    Do you have any evidence for this statement? If not, there is no point in making it.

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    Re: How to Pronounce a proper [ʌ]?

    Quote Originally Posted by fivejedjon View Post
    I don't know what you mean by that. Except for people with some form of speech defect, either from birth or as a result of injury, every native speaker produces a 'proper' version of /ʌ/ for their particular dialect. Trying to change one phoneme and not the others will produce an unnatural dialect.
    Do you have any evidence for this statement? If not, there is no point in making it.
    Well, why would I need an evidence? I was just guessing. Plus, one of the member named Raymott said native speaker say *how do you pronounce /ʌ/ sound properly? instead of how to blah blah blah...unless you're giving a rundown on the /ʌ/ sound. It's wrong. Reference link: https://www.usingenglish.com/forum/p...ft-palate.html
    Also, I doubt any native speaker would ask this kind of question unless the people who have speech disorder or something
    Also, I do have the right to say any word without any evidence, don't I? Man, It's just a reply! So what if he's not a native speaker?
    By the way, Is it because I'm sensitive or what? I find you're picking on me or something. You know, I'm just trying to help him. (though it doesn't help at all ) Can you quit doing this to me? I'm sorry if I'm over panaroid and I'm awfully sorry if my remarks sound harsh. Before I forget, instead of arguing, I'm here is to help or learn something I don't know. So, please just GIVE ME A BREAK. Why can't we just be cool? Thank you!
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    Re: How to Pronounce a proper [ʌ]?

    He's talking about [ʌ], not /ʌ/.

    RP indeed has [ɐ] for /ʌ/.

    In North American English, the three most common pronunciations of /ʌ/ are [ʌ ̈], [ʌ ̟] and [ɜ ̠]. But [ɐ] is also used in California.
    A vowel closest to a pure [ʌ] can be found in African American Vernacular English; geographically in the Inland North, some parts of Pennsylvania (esp. Philadelphia) in the US and Newfoundland in Canada.

    I can't explain how to make it other than saying that [ʌ] is basically an unrounded [ɔ].

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    Re: How to Pronounce a proper [ʌ]?

    Quote Originally Posted by fivejedjon View Post
    I don't know what you mean by that. ....
    I suspect he means 'Realizations of the American English /ʌ/ are more like the Cardinal [ʌ] defined by the IPA than realizations of the Br English /ʌ/'. This may be true - my knowledge of the Cardinal vowels isn't sensitive enough for me to say. But I do wish teachers would distinguish between Cardinal vowels and nationally accepted allophones!

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    Re: How to Pronounce a proper [ʌ]?

    Thank you Bobk and thatone. You understood me, and im sorry to the others for the confusion.
    I suspect he means 'Realizations of the American English /ʌ/ are more like the Cardinal [ʌ] defined by the IPA than realizations of the Br English /ʌ/'.
    Exactly! :)



    RP indeed has [ɐ] for /ʌ/.
    aha! That explanins everything! I have book on RP, a relatively new book published not too long ago actually. Ive just done some research on this [ɐ] vowel, and it explains why my book has the [ʌ] symbol with the incorrect articulation positions of mouth height, and the tongue position being central when in fact it should be back for a 'cardinal' [ʌ]. The reason is apparently for 'tradition'? This doesnt make sence at all, why cause the confusion for the sake of tradition?? lol




    As a matter of fact I do have speech difficulties, no where near as bad as they once were. I decided to develope a more neutral accent as I found I didnt stammer and mumble anything like when I tried to speak my regional accent which seems strange right ? lol But an accent with flat vowels coupled with speech problems is pretty much confidence destroying and hell to listen too.


    But my speech is clearer by the day, and this forum is a godsend, people here are so helpful I really appreciate it. Especially Bobk who I think has answered all my questions on this forum, so thanks mate :)


    Thanks to everyone also, who try and help me! Thanks dontbanme for the video! It was helpful :)
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    Re: How to Pronounce a proper [ʌ]?

    Quote Originally Posted by thatone View Post
    He's talking about [ʌ], not /ʌ/.

    RP indeed has [ɐ] for /ʌ/.

    In North American English, the three most common pronunciations of /ʌ/ are [ʌ ̈], [ʌ ̟] and [ɜ ̠]. But [ɐ] is also used in California.
    A vowel closest to a pure [ʌ] can be found in African American Vernacular English; geographically in the Inland North, some parts of Pennsylvania (esp. Philadelphia) in the US and Newfoundland in Canada.

    I can't explain how to make it other than saying that [ʌ] is basically an unrounded [ɔ].
    Well, I don't get it. Can you explain what the difference between the /ʌ/ and [ʌ] is? I stand corrected

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    Re: How to Pronounce a proper [ʌ]?

    Quote Originally Posted by DontBanMe View Post
    Well, I don't get it. Can you explain what the difference between the /ʌ/ and [ʌ] is? I stand corrected
    In the IPA, each symbol stands for a precise vowel.

    /ʌ/ means you're just using the ʌ symbol to represent another vowel, which may or may not be close to a real ʌ. This is kind of broad, or phonemic transcription is what you find in dictionaries and schoolbooks. It's not mean to be very accurate.

    [ʌ] means you're referring to the actual ʌ vowel. This is a narrow phonetic transcription.

    For instance little is usually written as as /lɪtəl/ in dictionaries, but that transcription is not very accurate. If I wanted to to show someone the exact vowels and consonants I would transcribe it as [lɪtəɫ], [lɪʔɫ], [ɫɪtəɫ], [ɫɪtɫ], [ɫɪdɫ] or [ɫɪɾɫ] depending on the dialect in question.

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