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    /bɑ:/ or /vɑ:/

    If you think you can trust your ears, have a look at this:
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    Re: /bɑ:/ or /vɑ:/

    Interesting- the sound does seem to change, not to /v/ but something in the middle.

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    Re: /bɑ:/ or /vɑ:/

    Quote Originally Posted by Tdol View Post
    Interesting- the sound does seem to change, not to /v/ but something in the middle.
    I found it quite eerie when we saw the two faces side by side. As I moved my eyes from one to the other, the sound clearly changed - only it didn't.

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    Even when you know and don't want it to change.

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    ]It does rather make me question my judgement on some of the things I have said in the past.

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    It loosely reminds me of dubbed films.

    Also, films sometimes have actors from different nationalities working together and some of them are dubbed, when they're supposed to sound like natives. You watch the mouth carefully and you see that its movements aren't synched with the speech being uttered. I always wonder how they do it. I mean, the actors performing together, when they don't understand what the other one is saying. Of course, they know, becuase they've got the script, but still it is a little uncanny.

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    Re: /bɑ:/ or /vɑ:/

    Quote Originally Posted by Hedwig View Post
    It loosely reminds me of dubbed films.

    Also, films sometimes have actors from different nationalities working together and some of them are dubbed, when they're supposed to sound like natives. You watch the mouth carefully and you see that its movements aren't synched with the speech being uttered. I always wonder how they do it. I mean, the actors performing together, when they don't understand what the other one is saying. Of course, they know, becuase they've got the script, but still it is a little uncanny.
    I agree, but at least we know what is going on there. With most optical illusions, too, I can see what is going on - eventually. The McGurk effect, however, was inexplicable. I knew that only one sound was being produced and yet, no matter how hard I concentrated, I heard two different sounds as my eys moved from one mouth to the other.

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    I agree. I had to close my eyes to make sure.
    My previous post was a bit off topic, actually, by association.

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    #9

    Re: /bɑ:/ or /vɑ:/

    Quote Originally Posted by fivejedjon View Post
    With most optical illusions, too, I can see what is going on - eventually. The McGurk effect, however, was inexplicable.
    Try these:
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    No matter how long I look what I try cover with hands, I'm unable to see how those two squares are the same color. I had to use MS Paint to see they really are. I can, kind of, see that the room is trapezoid, but it's still amazing.

    (Sorry about being off topic, but I couldn't resist.)
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    Re: /bɑ:/ or /vɑ:/

    As we are not side-tracking anybody who has asked a pressing question about phonetics, I don't think there is any harm in going off-topic, when it's interesting (as the posts so far have been). If the moderators think we are putting anybody off this sub-forum, they can always move the thread to a general discussion forum.
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