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    #1

    All (the) parts of

    Which ones are acceptable?

    All the parts of this machine are made in Japan.
    All parts of this machine are made in Japan.
    The parts of this machine are made in Japan.
    Parts of this machine are made in Japan.

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    #2

    Re: All (the) parts of

    Quote Originally Posted by Snappy View Post
    Which ones are acceptable?

    All the parts of this machine are made in Japan.
    All parts of this machine are made in Japan.
    The parts of this machine are made in Japan.
    Parts of this machine are made in Japan.
    #1 is OK. #2 is the best for me. #3 is OK, but doesn't emphasize all of the parts, which I think is the idea you are trying to express. #4 means something different. That only a portion of the machine is of Japanese origin.

    If the machine is all Japanese, why not just say that: This machine is 100% Japanese made.

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    Re: All (the) parts of

    Quote Originally Posted by SoothingDave View Post
    #1 is OK. #2 is the best for me. #3 is OK, but doesn't emphasize all of the parts, which I think is the idea you are trying to express. #4 means something different. That only a portion of the machine is of Japanese origin.

    If the machine is all Japanese, why not just say that: This machine is 100% Japanese made.
    I have been thinking of the difference between the following sentences again:

    1. All parts of this machine are made in Japan.
    2. All the parts of this machine are made in Japan.

    Please tell me if my understanding is correct.
    Sentence 1 explains that each part of the machine is made in Japan while sentence 2 explains the same thing but it is understood that everybody knows exactly what parts they are (i.e., people know how many parts are used and what those parts are).
    I thought that it would be more appropriate to use "all the parts of this machine...." if the person I am talking to and I knew that the machine consisted of 12 parts (components), for example.

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    Re: All (the) parts of

    Quote Originally Posted by Snappy View Post
    I have been thinking of the difference between the following sentences again:

    1. All parts of this machine are made in Japan.
    2. All the parts of this machine are made in Japan.

    Please tell me if my understanding is correct.
    Sentence 1 explains that each part of the machine is made in Japan while sentence 2 explains the same thing but it is understood that everybody knows exactly what parts they are (i.e., people know how many parts are used and what those parts are).
    I thought that it would be more appropriate to use "all the parts of this machine...." if the person I am talking to and I knew that the machine consisted of 12 parts (components), for example.
    They mean the same.
    You could also consider "All of the parts ..." which also means the same.
    Your fourth sentence implies something different - that only some parts are Japanese.

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    Re: All (the) parts of

    Quote Originally Posted by Snappy View Post
    Which ones are acceptable?

    All the parts of this machine are made in Japan.
    All parts of this machine are made in Japan.
    The parts of this machine are made in Japan.
    Parts of this machine are made in Japan.
    Among #'s 1, 2 & 3, # 2 would be more common in AmE, i.e. the fewer words, the better wihout losing meaning, but depending on context, #3 might be used if other features are referenced, for example: "The parts of this machine are made in Japan, but engineering is based on German models."

    #2 & # 4 have basically the same meaning except that #2 emphasizes that every part is made in Japan.

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    Re: All (the) parts of

    Quote Originally Posted by billmcd View Post
    #2 & # 4 have basically the same meaning except that #2 emphasizes that every part is made in Japan.
    I see you disagree again, bill.
    In AusE at least, #4. "Parts of this machine are made in Japan" almost always implies that some parts are not made in Japan. This has a completely different meaning from #2, in which that possibility is ruled out.
    Isn't that the same in AmE?

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    Re: All (the) parts of

    Quote Originally Posted by Raymott View Post
    I see you disagree again, bill.
    In AusE at least, #4. "Parts of this machine are made in Japan" almost always implies that some parts are not made in Japan. This has a completely different meaning from #2, in which that possibility is ruled out.
    Isn't that the same in AmE?
    Yes, that's the way I would read it. "Parts" means "portions" when stated as in #4.

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    Re: All (the) parts of

    Quote Originally Posted by Raymott View Post
    I see you disagree again, bill.
    In AusE at least, #4. "Parts of this machine are made in Japan" almost always implies that some parts are not made in Japan. This has a completely different meaning from #2, in which that possibility is ruled out.
    Isn't that the same in AmE?
    How about some context: Q: "Where are the parts of this machine made? A: Parts of this machine are made in Japan. I would agree w/you if you prefix "parts" with "some".

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    Re: All (the) parts of

    Quote Originally Posted by billmcd View Post
    How about some context: Q: "Where are the parts of this machine made? A: Parts of this machine are made in Japan. I would agree w/you if you prefix "parts" with "some".
    I would agree with you if prefixed "Parts" with "The" -- but that's already a another given sentence (#3) , which I've agreed means the same as 1 and 2.
    Your scenario leads to the next Q: "Where are the other parts made?"

    OK, here's another context:

    A: Are all the parts of this machine made in Korea?
    B1: No, parts of it are made in Japan. (This means "some parts of it"; that's my point.)
    B2. No, all [the] parts of it are made in Japan.

    B1 and B2 do not have "basically the same meaning".
    Anyhow, I trust that Snappy has his/her answer.

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    Re: All (the) parts of

    Quote Originally Posted by Raymott View Post
    I would agree with you if prefixed "Parts" with "The" -- but that's already a another given sentence (#3) , which I've agreed means the same as 1 and 2.
    Your scenario leads to the next Q: "Where are the other parts made?"

    OK, here's another context:

    A: Are all the parts of this machine made in Korea?
    B1: No, parts of it are made in Japan. (This means "some parts of it"; that's my point.)
    B2. No, all [the] parts of it are made in Japan.

    B1 and B2 do not have "basically the same meaning".
    Anyhow, I trust that Snappy has his/her answer.
    And as they say, "therein lies the rub": context, context, context.

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