Page 1 of 2 1 2 LastLast
Results 1 to 10 of 11
  1. Banned
    Student or Learner
    • Member Info
      • Native Language:
      • Chinese
      • Home Country:
      • Hong Kong
      • Current Location:
      • United States

    • Join Date: Aug 2011
    • Posts: 107
    #1

    Arrow Turned To The Worst?

    SOS - Safe Outdoor Survival

    Before we know it the weather turned to the worst and the cloud cover grew heavier and heavier.
    Shouldn't it be "took a turn for the worse"?

  2. Hedwig's Avatar
    • Member Info
      • Native Language:
      • Spanish
      • Home Country:
      • Argentina
      • Current Location:
      • Argentina

    • Join Date: Jul 2011
    • Posts: 518
    #2

    Re: Turned To The Worst?

    I believe the phrase is turn for the worse/worst. I'm reminded of 'if worse comes to worse', which also sounds odd but seems to be in popular use.

    • Member Info
      • Native Language:
      • English
      • Home Country:
      • England
      • Current Location:
      • England

    • Join Date: Jun 2010
    • Posts: 24,451
    #3

    Re: Turned To The Worst?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaseyA View Post
    SOS - Safe Outdoor Survival



    Shouldn't it be "took a turn for the worse"?
    Yes, it should.

    Rover

    • Member Info
      • Native Language:
      • British English
      • Home Country:
      • UK
      • Current Location:
      • Laos

    • Join Date: Nov 2002
    • Posts: 57,831
    #4

    Re: Turned To The Worst?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hedwig View Post
    I believe the phrase is turn for the worse/worst. I'm reminded of 'if worse comes to worse', which also sounds odd but seems to be in popular use.
    I say if worst comes to worst.

  3. BobK's Avatar
    • Member Info
      • Native Language:
      • English
      • Home Country:
      • UK
      • Current Location:
      • UK

    • Join Date: Jul 2006
    • Posts: 16,038
    #5

    Re: Turned To The Worst?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hedwig View Post
    .... I'm reminded of 'if worse comes to worse', which also sounds odd but seems to be in popular use.
    It sounds less odd in the verrsion I have known and used: 'If the worst comes to the worst', which has of late been ditched in favour of the fancier sounding 'In the worst-case scenario' - or just 'Worst case, ...' followed by the bad thing.

    b

    PS 'Turned to the worst' would be possible, in a context such as 'Before we knew it, the shower had turned [in]to the worst hail-storm we'd ever experienced'. (This has lost the general idea of 'taking a turn for the worse'; 'turn' means something else here; but that string of words is just possible.)
    Last edited by BobK; 26-Aug-2011 at 16:53. Reason: Added PS

  4. Banned
    Student or Learner
    • Member Info
      • Native Language:
      • Chinese
      • Home Country:
      • Hong Kong
      • Current Location:
      • United States

    • Join Date: Aug 2011
    • Posts: 107
    #6

    Re: Turned To The Worst?

    Hypothetically thinking, "turn to the worst" is acceptable, so that the following could be acceptable too?

    His health turned to the worst.

    • Member Info
      • Native Language:
      • British English
      • Home Country:
      • UK
      • Current Location:
      • Laos

    • Join Date: Nov 2002
    • Posts: 57,831
    #7

    Re: Turned To The Worst?

    Where does your hypothetical thinking come from? I would recommend re-reading Bob's post.

  5. emsr2d2's Avatar
    • Member Info
      • Native Language:
      • British English
      • Home Country:
      • UK
      • Current Location:
      • UK

    • Join Date: Jul 2009
    • Posts: 41,814
    #8

    Re: Turned To The Worst?

    In your original quote, it should read "Before we knew it..."

  6. BobK's Avatar
    • Member Info
      • Native Language:
      • English
      • Home Country:
      • UK
      • Current Location:
      • UK

    • Join Date: Jul 2006
    • Posts: 16,038
    #9

    Re: Turned To The Worst?

    I silently tweaked that in my rewritten version. (In some sorts of popular psychological stuff, 'Before we know it' is quite common though: 'We agree to this, and agree to do that, and trawl through our Inbox... and before we know it, it's past lunchtime.'

    b

  7. emsr2d2's Avatar
    • Member Info
      • Native Language:
      • British English
      • Home Country:
      • UK
      • Current Location:
      • UK

    • Join Date: Jul 2009
    • Posts: 41,814
    #10

    Re: Turned To The Worst?

    Quote Originally Posted by BobK View Post
    I silently tweaked that in my rewritten version. (In some sorts of popular psychological stuff, 'Before we know it' is quite common though: 'We agree to this, and agree to do that, and trawl through our Inbox... and before we know it, it's past lunchtime.'

    b
    So you did. I missed that. Yes, "Before you know it..." etc is something I say a lot and if the rest of the original sentence had been written in the present tense, I'd have left it.

    Before you know it, the weather takes a turn for the worse and the clouds are heavier and heavier.

    If it had been written in the past perfect, I'd have left it too.

    Before you know it, the weather's taken a turn for the worse and the clouds have got heavier and heavier.

    But I don't think "Before you know it..." works with "the weather took" and "the clouds got".

Page 1 of 2 1 2 LastLast

Similar Threads

  1. turned on its side
    By navi tasan in forum Ask a Teacher
    Replies: 6
    Last Post: 05-Apr-2011, 05:00
  2. [Idiom] it turned out that
    By Ashiuhto in forum Ask a Teacher
    Replies: 1
    Last Post: 08-Jan-2011, 13:50
  3. turned out
    By GUEST2008 in forum Ask a Teacher
    Replies: 2
    Last Post: 08-Nov-2010, 14:41
  4. turned out to be
    By Tinkerbell in forum Ask a Teacher
    Replies: 2
    Last Post: 25-Jul-2010, 15:21
  5. [Vocabulary] Then it twisted and turned every which way
    By Ferdie11 in forum Ask a Teacher
    Replies: 0
    Last Post: 03-Jun-2010, 08:41

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •