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    The definite article in front of the names of stadiums

    For some time now I've been collecting all the rules of article usage in English into one single text file. The only difficulty I've been having so far is with the names of stadiums. It seems a bit confusing to me. I've been to various sports sites and seen things like Wembley, Wembley Stadium, Yankee Stadium, but the Santiago Bernabeu, the Nou Camp, Camp Nou.
    In this wikipedia article, they use both the Nou Camp and Nou Camp:
    Camp Nou - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Is there any particular article usage convention applied to the names of stadiums around the world? Where can I find more info on this? Can anyone make me a list of stadiums whose appellations always come with definite articles.
    I'd like to know how speakers manage to automatically decide whether an article should be used or not in such situations.
    Thanks for your help.
    Last edited by Bennevis; 02-Sep-2011 at 11:30.

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    #2

    Re: The definite article in front of the names of stadiums

    As you've noticed, it's variable. I've noticed that most new ones, particularly if there's a sponsor, often have the article; but I've never met a fixed rule.

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    Re: The definite article in front of the names of stadiums

    Quote Originally Posted by Bennevis View Post

    Is there any particular article usage convention applied to the names of stadiums around the world? Where can I find more info on this? Can anyone make me a list of stadiums whose appellations always come with definite articles.
    I'd like to know how speakers manage to automatically decide whether an article should be used or not in such situations.
    Thanks for your help.

    ***** NOT A TEACHER *****


    (1) Congratulations on your interesting project.

    (2) The teacher has just told you: there is no one "rule." It seems to depend on

    what the owner of the stadium wants to call it or on what the media (newspapers &

    TV stations) decide to call it.

    (3) Many times, the "the" is dropped as being unnecessary. Other times, it might

    sound "funny" without the article.

    (4) When you say "stadium," I am assuming that you are referring to any large

    place where sports are played. Some stadiums are open to the sky; others have a

    roof.

    (5) Here in the Los Angeles area, we have many such places. Here is a partial

    list (I am using zero article for them all):

    Forum
    Dodger Stadium
    Staples Center
    Los Angeles Memorial Coliseum
    Rose Bowl Stadium
    Angel Stadium

    (6) NOTES:

    (a) I checked the sports section of my local newspaper. I am 99% confident that

    Dodger Stadium is always used with zero article. You can add that to your list.

    (b) I have heard something like: They are playing at Staples Center/ They are playing at the Staples Center.

    (c) Here in Los Angeles, people usually say, "They are playing at the Coliseum."
    It would sound strange to say "They are playing at Coliseum." I cannot explain the reason. I do not know how one would refer to its official name.

    (d) I checked the Web, and I found that some sources refer to "the Rose Bowl
    Stadium" and some use zero article.

    (e) I think that Angel Stadium almost always has zero article.

    (f) While doing research for this post, I discovered another sports place that I

    had never heard of (I do not like sports). I read "[T[he U.S. plays Costa Rica in a friendly international at the Home Depot Center in Carson [a city near L.A.]." I would not be surprised if the "the" is eventually dropped.

    (g) I am 99% confident that it is always "The Forum." Again, it would sound strange to say "The basketball game will be played at Forum."

    (5) My most respectful suggestion:

    (a) Go on the Web and check out each stadium that I named. You will soon get

    an idea of what the majority of people call it.

    (b) Thanks to the Web, you can read newspapers from many countries -- for free!

    (i) If you read the sports section of the Los Angeles Times, you will get an idea

    of how it refers to stadiums.I checked two issues and found these American stadiums (I do not know what city they are in): "That deal included the team, Wrigley Field [Chicago?]"; "with a tribute wall at the Woody Hayes Athletic Center"; and "Somehow -- thankfully and mercifully -- the campus and Bryant-Denny Stadium were spared [from tornado damage]."

    (ii) I hear that London has a dozen daily newspapers. Check them out.

    (iii) And, of course, check out the website of the wonderful British Broadcasting Corporation. Besides very serious news, I think it also gives news about sports (or "sport" as our British friends say).

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    Re: The definite article in front of the names of stadiums

    BobK and TheParser, thank you very very much!

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    #5

    Re: The definite article in front of the names of stadiums

    Quote Originally Posted by Bennevis View Post
    For some time now I've been collecting all the rules of article usage in English into one single text file. .

    Won't you share it with us?

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    Re: The definite article in front of the names of stadiums

    I'd gladly share it with you, but the explanations are in Russian.

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    Re: The definite article in front of the names of stadiums

    Quote Originally Posted by Bennevis View Post
    I'd gladly share it with you, but the explanations are in Russian.

    ***** NOT A TEACHER *****


    I studied Russian for three months.

    Then I gave up!

    I am serious: Chinese is a piece of cake compared with Russian!

    (I do not claim to know Chinese, but I know it well enough to make

    that statement.)

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    Re: The definite article in front of the names of stadiums

    TheParser, you are a highly intelligent man! I haven't studied Chinese, but, despite all those idiosyncratic declensions and conjugations Russian tasks you with, I don't think I'd ever manage to master Chinese with its unfathomably abstruse hieroglyphs.

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    Re: The definite article in front of the names of stadiums

    Quote Originally Posted by Bennevis View Post
    TheParser, you are a highly intelligent man! I haven't studied Chinese, but, despite all those idiosyncratic declensions and conjugations Russian tasks you with, I don't think I'd ever manage to master Chinese with its unfathomably abstruse hieroglyphs.
    ***** NOT A TEACHER *****


    (1) I still have nightmares about those Russian declensions and conjugations!

    (2) Yes, those Chinese characters (either traditional or simplified) are a

    challenge, but there are no conjugations. The "picture" for the verb "eat,"

    for example, never changes. In English, "to eat" changes to eat, eats, ate, eaten,

    eating. But the Chinese character for "eat" never changes. And Chinese word

    order is often the same as English: subject/verb/object.

    (3) I read somewhere that Russian is, indeed, a wonderful language. That native

    speakers find that it can express nuances that no other language can. That once

    you speak Russian, you always want to return to it -- no matter how many other

    languages you may learn.

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