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    suggest his going / suggest him going

    Recently I found that (A) is correct.

    I am not sure if (B) is also correct.


    (A) I suggest his going to bed early.

    (B) I suggest him going to bed early.


    Which one should I use?

    Please advice, thank you very much!

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    #2

    Re: suggest his going / suggest him going

    Quote Originally Posted by ysc1230 View Post
    (A))I suggest his going to bed early.

    (B) I suggest him going to bed early.
    A is possible; B is not.

    More likely to be heard are:

    I suggest going to bed Context will normally make it clear who should be going to bed.
    I suggest (that) he goes/(should) go to bed.

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    Re: suggest his going / suggest him going

    I saw this post.
    https://www.usingenglish.com/forum/a...2-suggest.html


    However, I want to know whether I should use (possessive adjective) + gerund on all the sentences or it only applies on particular type of verbs and situation.

    Can you please correct my sentences? I want to make sure I understand this structure.

    1. My mother doesn't allow my / me smoking at home.

    2. He encourages our / us asking questions on this forum.

    Thank you very much for your help!

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    Re: suggest his going / suggest him going

    Quote Originally Posted by ysc1230 View Post
    I saw this post.
    https://www.usingenglish.com/forum/a...2-suggest.html


    However, I want to know whether I should use (possessive adjective) + gerund on all the sentences or it only applies on particular type of verbs and situation.

    Can you please correct my sentences? I want to make sure I understand this structure.

    1. My mother doesn't allow my / me smoking at home. "me to smoke" or "my smoking"

    2. He encourages our / us asking questions on this forum. "us to ask" or "our asking of" (this last is not likely).

    Thank you very much for your help!
    Bhai.

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    #5

    Re: suggest his going / suggest him going



    The OP should be careful not to treat verbs of knowing in the same way:

    My mother doesn't know about my / me smoking at home. Either of these is possible but not My mother doesn't know about me to smoke at home

    ('Just so you know', as we say - informally. )

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    #6

    Re: suggest his going / suggest him going

    Thanks Teachers~

    I still keep finding teaching materials about this subject on the internet. And I found that I am not sure if it is true.

    ** In traditional English grammar, a noun or pronoun preceding a gerund must be genitive (possessive). However, nowadays, it is getting more common to see the objective used in place of the possessive.
    For example:
    (a) The policeman catches his stealing in the grocery store.
    (b) The policeman catches him stealing in the grocery store.



    Could native teachers give some comments?

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    #7

    Re: suggest his going / suggest him going

    (a) is wrong, as stealing is not a gerund but the present participle of the verb.

    Rover

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    Re: suggest his going / suggest him going

    Quote Originally Posted by ysc1230 View Post
    Thanks Teachers~

    I still keep finding teaching materials about this subject on the internet. And I found that I am not sure if it is true.

    ** In traditional English grammar, a noun or pronoun preceding a gerund must be genitive (possessive). However, nowadays, it is getting more common to see the objective used in place of the possessive.
    For example:
    (a) The policeman catches his stealing in the grocery store.
    (b) The policeman catches him stealing in the grocery store.



    Could native teachers give some comments?
    It's a bad example (that is, wrong ), but the point he's making does reflect a change in usage. Prescriptive grammars used to hold that a gerund, when it's an object, should have a possessive. (We've already seen this in an earlier example: My mother doesn't know about my smoking. Some people still do this (I do), but no credible teacher insists on it today. That's why, when I gave that example, I gave the version My mother doesn't know about me smoking. as well.

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    Re: suggest his going / suggest him going

    I am really grateful to BobK and Rover_KE for giving me comments.


    However, I get more confused when I saw your answer. <---My problem.

    Since I supposed the following sentence was correct.

    (The policeman catches his stealing in the grocery store.)

    The policeman = noun.
    catches = verb.
    steal verb. (action) --> stealing (gerund)

    Then I do not see anything wrong. Could you give me more information about this subject? I can read by myself, thank you very much!


    From Oxford dictionary

    Original:
    I'll report you to the police if I catch you stealing again.

    How about if I rewrite as:
    I'll report you to the police if I catch your stealing again.

    Is it wrong?

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    #10

    Re: suggest his going / suggest him going

    How about if I rewrite as:
    I'll report you to the police if I catch your stealing again.

    Is it wrong?
    Yes, I answered that in post #7.

    Rover

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