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    (the) Urkaine

    Hello,

    My American friend corrected me when I said I was going to Ukraine on holiday; it should be "the Ukraine", she said. I've never heard the article used before the name of the country on the BBC. I've scoured the forum and had a look at previous threads. However, the question remains unanswered for me. I see 'the' in my books and don't hear it on the radio. Which do you say/hear more often?

    Which do you teach?

    Thank you.

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    Re: (the) Urkaine

    Quote Originally Posted by Verona_82 View Post
    Hello,

    My American friend corrected me when I said I was going to Ukraine on holiday; it should be "the Ukraine", she said. I've never heard the article used before the name of the country on the BBC. I've scoured the forum and had a look at previous threads. However, the question remains unanswered for me. I see 'the' in my books and don't hear it on the radio. Which do you say/hear more often?

    Which do you teach?

    Thank you.
    It used to be known as "The Ukraine", now "Ukraine" is usual. (BrE)

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    Re: (the) Urkaine

    Although it is commonly referred to in English as 'The Ukraine', it should be only 'Ukraine'. see: 1.1 Etymology

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    Re: (the) Urkaine

    Your American friend is out of date.
    I'm not a teacher, but I write for a living. Please don't ask me about 2nd conditionals, but I'm a safe bet for what reads well in (American) English.

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    Re: (the) Urkaine

    Quote Originally Posted by Barb_D View Post
    Your American friend is out of date.
    I'll just back you up there by saying "Go to the White House official website" It's Ukraine and Kyiv not "Kiev".

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    Re: (the) Urkaine

    Quote Originally Posted by Verona_82 View Post
    Hello,

    My American friend corrected me when I said I was going to Ukraine on holiday; it should be "the Ukraine", she said. I've never heard the article used before the name of the country on the BBC. I've scoured the forum and had a look at previous threads. However, the question remains unanswered for me. I see 'the' in my books and don't hear it on the radio. Which do you say/hear more often?

    Which do you teach?

    Thank you.
    REMINDER: NOT A TEACHER


    (1) You young people, of course, do not realize that when people such as I were

    young, we regularly used "the" before the names of some countries:

    The Ukraine

    The Sudan

    The Lebanon

    The Yemen

    The Ivory Coast

    (2) And, of course, we always referred to the U.S.S.R.

    (3) Today, we still always refer to the Philippines.

    (4) I do not claim to be a Spanish speaker, but I do know that they used to

    use the definite article for countries, such as La Argentina and el Peru. They also

    used to refer to los Estados Unidos (the United States). But now it is just

    Estados Unidos.

    (5) Personally, I wish we still used the definite article. "The Lebanon" sounds so

    much more romantic and exotic than simply "Lebanon."

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