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    Order of adjectives

    Hello,

    As far as I know, the usual order of adjectives is:

    opinion - age - size/shape - temperature - colour - origin - material - purpose + noun


    However, I have seen a new list of adjectives that goes as follow:

    Opinion - size or ___________, texture, pattern or ___________, ___________+ noun

    I think the book where I have seen this list makes a reference to: patterns, shape, texture, materials and "others" - including, in this last category, adjectives such as "high-heeled" and "long-sleeved".

    So, I wonder if you could help me out with this new (for me) list of adjectives. Obviously, I don't know which type of adjective should go in the different gaps.

    Thank you for your help.

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    Re: Order of adjectives

    Hello again,

    Could it be listed as:

    Opinion, size or shape, texture, pattern or texture, colour + noun ?

    Anyway, adjectives such as "high-heeled" or "long-sleeved" where should they go?

    Thank you.

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    Re: Order of adjectives

    Quote Originally Posted by ratóncolorao View Post
    Hello again,

    Could it be listed as:

    Opinion, size or shape, texture, pattern or texture, colour + noun ?

    Anyway, adjectives such as "high-heeled" or "long-sleeved" where should they go?

    Thank you.
    "A blue, size 38, long-sleeved woollen sweater." Is that what you mean?

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    Re: Order of adjectives

    Quote Originally Posted by bhaisahab View Post
    "A blue, size 38, long-sleeved woollen sweater." Is that what you mean?

    Yes, I was asking if I am right listing the adjective that way...

    Thank you. Your example is great.

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    Re: Order of adjectives

    [QUOTE=ratóncolorao;808561]

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    (1) The order of adjectives confuses me, too.

    (2) I found two more lists that might give you some added insight.

    (3) They are both credited to The Grammar Book by Mesdames Celce-Murcia and Larsen-Freeman.

    1.determiner (The) 2. subjective or evaluative adjective (poor) 3. measurement (little) 4. coloration (pink) 5, material (plastic) 6. head noun (doll). Another example: An ugly old black wooden statue.

    ***

    1, determiner (an) 2. opinion (ugly) 3. size (big) 4. shape (round) 5. condition (chipped) 6. age (old) 7. color (blue) 8. origin/material (French) 9. noun (vase).


    (4) Could we say: A beautiful medium-sized long-sleeved new red cotton shirt.

    I do not know. What do you think?

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    Re: Order of adjectives

    Quote Originally Posted by TheParser View Post
    (4) Could we say: A beautiful medium-sized long-sleeved new red cotton shirt.

    I do not know. What do you think?
    I think we would be unlikely to, but we could.

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    Re: Order of adjectives

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    Quote Originally Posted by ratóncolorao View Post

    NOT A TEACHER


    (1) The order of adjectives confuses me, too.

    (2) I found two more lists that might give you some added insight.

    (3) They are both credited to The Grammar Book by Mesdames Celce-Murcia and Larsen-Freeman.

    1.determiner (The) 2. subjective or evaluative adjective (poor) 3. measurement (little) 4. coloration (pink) 5, material (plastic) 6. head noun (doll). Another example: An ugly old black wooden statue.

    ***

    1, determiner (an) 2. opinion (ugly) 3. size (big) 4. shape (round) 5. condition (chipped) 6. age (old) 7. color (blue) 8. origin/material (French) 9. noun (vase).


    (4) Could we say: A beautiful medium-sized long-sleeved new red cotton shirt.

    I do not know. What do you think?
    Do you really speak like that in everyday language, or is it just for books? I wonder if it is only for us - foreigners - to become crazy....

    Thank you for your answer

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    Re: Order of adjectives

    [QUOTE=ratóncolorao;808627][QUOTE=TheParser;808611]

    Do you really speak like that in everyday language, or is it just for books? I wonder if it is only for us - foreigners - to become crazy....




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    The two scholars whom I cited mention two other scholars (Praninskas and Svatko) who

    remind us "that sequences of more than three adjectives SELDOM [my emphasis] occur
    in speech or writing and that two-adjective sequences are the most typical ones."

    As Teacher Fivejedjon so diplomatically and gently put it, my made-up example in my first post is "unlikely." (Brutal translation: "absurd")
    Last edited by TheParser; 07-Oct-2011 at 14:04.

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    Re: Order of adjectives

    Quote Originally Posted by TheParser View Post
    As Teacher Fivejedjon so diplomatically and gently put it, my made-up example in my first post is "unlikely." (Brutal translation: "absurd")
    'Absurd' is a little harsh.

    It is a good example of how the adjectives would be ordered if we were ever to want to use so many, and it is a possible English sentence. It is probably more useful as an example than this set:

    A beautiful new red cotton shirt.
    A medium-sized long-sleeved cotton shirt.
    A beautiful long-sleeved red shirt.
    A medium-sized long-sleeved red cotton shirt.
    A long-sleeved new red cotton shirt.
    A beautiful long-sleeved new cotton shirt.
    ...etcetc.

    We are more likely to hear these than your example, but they are not so helpful in picturing how we order adjectives.

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    Re: Order of adjectives

    Hello,

    I wonder if the pre-established order for adjectives is a very strict rule… here I write one example I have just seen while reading one article on the BBC page:

    BBC News - Sir Paul McCartney marries US heiress Nancy Shevell

    “Ms Shevell wore a white, long-sleeved dress…..” while in the examples given by The Parser and Fivejedjon the colour comes after the adjective “long-sleeved” – following very precisely the rule.
    Now, paying closer attention to the example given by Bhaisahab, we see that he also puts the colour in the first place: “A blue, size 38, long-sleeved….”

    So, is there a strict rule to follow? Or, on the contrary, it is not very striking to see a different order depending on the situation, on the adjectives themselves, etc.....


    I would like to know about it in order not to feel too confused in case of forgetting which one comes first.

    Thank you very much.

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